Will you be evaluating the 2008 XBR8 series soon? The sets should be available this week. Thanks!

The Philips 47PFL7422D/37 will pass deinterlace if you turn off noise reduction.

On one of the Sony TV’s you have the model number listed as “LN37A450″. That’s a Samsung model number.

Other than that thanks for the great research! I can’t wait for you to try out the new Samsung firmware and to add the new XBR models.

Nooo! My beloved Sony KDL-46v4100 failed it’s 3:2 pull down test whereas all the other models in the V and S series passed. Any idea what the difference maker was?

Great study! Thanks for publishing the PDF. A suggestion for the next study – please consider testing the following Toshiba TVs with the Cell processor:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/toshibas-new-zf-lcds-include-cell-based-resolution-upscaling/

I think these are 2009 models (not sure)? A big problem is that they are not available in America yet. The specs on these are amazing and the prototype demos showed the Cell processor handling 4 1080P streams. I’m hoping that this processor will be a huge leap forward in providing true 1080P.

i noticed that on the lone DLP set tested (HL61A750) it’s listed as failing the 3:2 pulldown. it doesnt do 3:2, it doesnt have to, it’s a 5:5 set.

[...] After lots of whining on my blog back in March that “plasmas are overrated”, or “plasmas burn easier and consume too much power”, or that “whatever, I will still get an LCD”, now YET another test shows that Pioneer’s plasma TVs are far superior to any other TV in the market. Even Panasonic’s high end plasma TVs can’t touch the Pioneers. Of course, this landscape is going to change, as Pioneer will start offering LCDs too and start using Panasonic panels instead of creating their own like they do now. I expect Pioneer to lose its steam in the long run because of these decisions, but hey, people want crappy LCDs, and that’s what they are going to get. [...]

Panasonic’s hi-end TV’s aren’t on here. The 850 series is the highest. Panasonic will make Pioneer’s panels but not there processors. I don’t think Pioneer will lose any steam now that they will focus on technology rather worrying about panel production.

On the tests, the Panasonic TH-65VX100 65″ plasma set did very well and I was ready to buy it. However, I cannot find this set on the Panasonic, CNet or any other website. Could the model number be incorrect? Any information about where to find this set would be appreciated.

what about Rear projection TVs , LCOS , DLP , HDILA , do those fall in with low rez on motion

Yes, I’d like to see the latest DLP (particularly the LED lit DLPs from Samsung) added to the list.

I have the HQV HD DVD Benchmark disk that they are using. With firmware 1009, Film Mode set to Auto1, and AMP Off, my 46a750 PASSES the 3:2 test. Turn AMP on, and it fails (but I would expect that). I question what firmware their 650/750/850 test sets had installed, and what their settings were during the tests. However, I can’t speak for their static/motion resolution results, I do not have the software they are using for that.

On the LG’s was the XD engine turned off? On the LG60PG60 was the THX mode enabled or disabled?

I noticed the Vizio’s scored pretty well, the one I own the VO32 passed both tests.

Good job Vizio

do you have a contact name with samsung concerning the firmware status. I have the 650 series LCD and the samsung website has a fairly old FW (dated 5/2008) as the latest version. However, sets shipping out now are loaded with a much newer version.

Basically, samsung is not making these new FW available to older sets.

Just an update that a tech with Samsung Tier II support stated that their sets never had a problem with 3:2 pulldown.

Do projectors lose any lines of resolution during motion sequences?

Hello,
As other people have asked did you use the latest firmware for the Samsung 650 series panels. I cant understand how come the 46″ 650 had a static res, of 1050, and the 50″ & 40 ” had a static res of 900? They are the same panels?

What about the Panasonic TH-50PZ850 that you reviewed earlier this year?

[...] För en mer ingående sammanfattning av testet så rekommenderar vi ett besök hos HD Guru. [...]

I think this is great and have shared the link with many others who also like the tests.

I do have one request for the next series of tests. Can contrast be tested. I find that contrast is the main reason I have stuck with my CRT. I have read and looked at many different sets but the contrast in normal lighting (at least the level my wife likes) is quite poor.

I would like to see both Static and Dynamic contrast tests as many of these new TV’s can be used as computer monitors for viewing pictures (digital slide shows).

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

[...] HD Guru Gary Merson has outdone his own ambitious track record, reviewing 125 TVs for a single story. He doesn’t go into the aesthetic design of each model, or even measure contrast and color depth. Instead, he boils it down to some criteria you won’t find on corporate sites or press releases. [...]

[...] HD Guru Gary Merson has outdone his own ambitious track record, reviewing 125 TVs for a single story. He doesn’t go into the aesthetic design of each model, or even measure contrast and color depth. Instead, he boils it down to some criteria you won’t find on corporate sites or press releases. [...]

I have had a Samsung 52a650 for about a month and and it was shipped with version 2004.0 FW. I’m sure its the latest.

Also, I’m not sure about how the 3:2 pulldown was tested but to my understaning, when AMP is on, 5:5 pulldown is used, and when AMP is off, the 3:2 pulldown is used. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

[...] H­ow’s it­ st­ack up t­o Pioneer­’s Kur­o, one of­ t­h­e t­op pl­asm­­as in t­h­e gam­­e? As far as m­oti­on­-resolu­ti­on­ goes—the all-i­m­portan­t ab­i­li­ty­ to m­ai­n­tai­n­ cri­sp i­m­ages w­hi­le they­’re i­n­ m­oti­on­ on­ the screen­—i­t’s actu­ally­ b­etter. Accord­i­n­g to HD­ Gu­ru­ Gary­ M­erson­ (w­ho w­as m­ore i­n­terested­ i­n­ ru­n­n­i­n­g hi­s cali­b­rati­on­ d­i­scs on­ the 150 than­ sti­ck­i­n­g w­i­th u­s for som­e Coun­ter S­trik­e, God bles­s­ ’im­), th­e 150-in­ch­er­, even­ a­s­ a­ pr­ototy­pe, s­cor­ed a­ r­es­olution­ of­ 920 lin­es­ on­ a­ 1080i s­ign­a­l. Pion­eer­’s ’08 K­ur­os, the­ ne­xt be­s­t, s­c­o­re­d 900. O­ur be­t i­s­ that Do­ro­thy­ c­an’t be­s­t the­ K­uro­ i­n the­ c­o­ntras­t de­partm­e­nt, but as­ y­o­u c­an s­e­e­ fro­m­ all o­f o­ur s­ho­ts­, i­t’s­ no­ s­lo­uc­h. C­he­c­k­ o­ut m­o­re­ pe­rfo­rm­anc­e­ s­pe­c­s­ i­n Gar­y’s­ 125-TV mega-guide. B­e­lo­w­: Gar­y­ te­s­ti­n­g mo­ti­o­n­ r­e­s­o­luti­o­n­. [...]

[...] The site HDGURU.com has an article up called Will You See All The HDTV Resolution You Expected? 125 2008 Model Test Results. The web page itself goes through the technical indicators that make one HDTV better than another: [...]

Can you test projectors next? Please.

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

Great article and good work. I’d love to see some updates and additions. Is there an observable difference between the motion resolution on a 600 lcd versus an 800 plasma? The motion resolution comparison was quite interesting, but if its possible, I’d like to see an objective comparison of black levels, color accuracy and contrast added to the list. It would make this list an invaluable research tool. I’d also like to see the LG 47lg90 and the Sony xbr8 series, the 2008 Hitachi 50″ plasmas and lcds, the Vizio vp505xvt, and the JVC x899 series added to the list. Oh, and the Sony 52xbr7 with 240hz would make an interesting comparison here. And yes, I’m never satisfied.

[...] HDGuru.com’un ilgili haberi (İngilizce) bu bağlantıda… [...]

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

Why does this year’s DLP do less than half as well as last years (330 versus the HLT6756 with 700 lines)?

Why would DLP tech have a problem at all here?

I love the price/performance of DLP for big screens and have never noticed them losing resolution in motion as I can clearly see on LCDs.

What gives?

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

I understand that the focus of your chart is whether or not you’re getting ALL of the 1080 lines you’re paying for. Is that why you didn’t include the resolution results of the TVs that fit in the 720p category? I was considering the Samsung LN52A650 (or 630 for the matte screen), but now I wonder if I’d be better off to save some money and just find a 720p that is compatible with 1080i/1080p signals. After seeing the Motion Res results of those $2000+ 1080p TVs, I’m now thinking I’d be just as well off with a 720p at half the cost(that’s assuming that they’re producing 580 or more lines of Motion Res).

So my big question is: can you fill in the blanks of the “720p” TVs’ Motion Res results? I’d like to avoid spending an extra $1000 on ‘hype’.

[...] HDGuru.com’un ilgili haberi (İngilizce) bu bağlantıda… [...]

[...] Originally Posted by pureffm @David It seems that the UK model you tested doesn’t have blinking backlight (black frame insertion), which is why the motion resolution is lower for the European models (300-600) versus the US ones (>1000). Here two tests of the US models that measure motion resolution higher than 1000: Will You See All The HDTV Resolution You Expected? 125 2008 Model Test Results- HD GURU Exclusive � HDGURU.Com Samsung LN46A950 Flat-panel TV reviews – CNET Reviews Direct comparison is wrong due to different schematic in LN and LE series I remember that LE use Mediatek and LN use Samsung chip based on ARM9 [...]

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. [...]

[...] HD Guru Tackles 125 TVs In One Review [TVs] HD Guru Gary Merson has outdone his own ambitious track record, reviewing 125 TVs for a single story. He doesn’t go into the aesthetic design of each model, or even measure contrast and color depth. Instead, he boils it down to some criteria you won’t find on corporate sites or press releases. [...]

It would be nice to get these results in a spreadsheet format. Could you publish the data in an .csv or .xls file?

Thanks.

Thanks to HD Guru for publishing this data.

Two Questions:

1.) The term “Motion” seems a bit vague. Can we further define that word? Does resolution drop even further if the screen information changes more rapidly than tested? What were the exact test perimeters?

2.) I would like to see some subjective evaluations to this loss of resolution when objects are in motion. In short, how noticeable is it to the average viewer?

[...] Check out this wonderful comparison of 125 HD TVs of 2008 by HDguru on de-interlacing and moving resolution. Will You See All The HDTV Resolution You Expected? 125 2008 Model Test Results- HD GURU Exclusive HDGURU.Com Most 60 hz 1080P LCD TVs (incl Sony & Samsung) deliver only 3xx lines of resolution for motion!!! 120 hz LCD TVs improve it only to 5xx-600 lines. So what’s the hype about full HD LCD??? All marketing gimmick!!! I would prefer an 768p plasma over a 1080p LCD. [...]

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[...] The economy sucks. But like Warren Buffett, you should be greedy when everyone else is skurred. If you’ve got the extra scratch, this is probably the best holiday season ever to buy an HDTV, since retailers don’t want a pile of them going obsolete in their warehouse. But what should you look for in an HDTV? HD Guru Gary Merson—a dude who’s reviewed 125 TVs at once—uses sophisticated gear for his own studies, but told us the five most important things that all the rest of us Joe the Plumber types can look out for when buying an HDTV. [...]

[...] The economy sucks. But like Warren Buffett, you should be greedy when everyone else is skurred. If you’ve got the extra scratch, this is probably the best holiday season ever to buy an HDTV, since retailers don’t want a pile of them going obsolete in their warehouse. But what should you look for in an HDTV? HD Guru Gary Merson—a dude who’s reviewed 125 TVs at once—uses sophisticated gear for his own studies, but told us the five most important things that all the rest of us Joe the Plumber types can look out for when buying an HDTV. [...]

[...] To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” And brightness against the brightest LCDs is like the sun against the moon: 110.88-foot lamberts, compared to 70 for the most eyeball-pounding LCDs, when they aren’t calibrated to show deep blacks—then they usually drop to about 30. Yet the LaserVue produces “jet black” blacks. Yet the power consumption is positively green: A mere 94 watts on average drive its intense 65-inch screen. LCDs and plasmas use 3x-4x that, and often more. [...]

[...] We’ve covered several prototypes of the LaserVue set, and Gary says it blows all of them away, and “rates in the stratosphere of top displays” of the very best sets like Pioneer’s Kuro Gen 2, Pansonic’s 65VX100U plasma and LED-backlit LCDs. The major issue conquered in the final version over the prototypes is speckling, the sparkles you see when you reflect a laser off of a flat surface (try it with a laser pointer). There are none. To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” And brightness against the brightest LCDs is like the sun against the moon: 110.88-foot lamberts, compared to 70 for the most eyeball-pounding LCDs, when they aren’t calibrated to show deep blacks—then they usually drop to about 30. Yet the LaserVue produces “jet black” blacks. Yet the power consumption is positively green: A mere 94 watts on average drive its intense 65-inch screen. LCDs and plasmas use 3x-4x that, and often more. [...]

[...] To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” [...]

[...] To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” [...]

[...] To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” And brightness against the brightest LCDs is like the sun against the moon: 110.88-foot lamberts, compared to 70 for the most eyeball-pounding LCDs, when they aren’t calibrated to show deep blacks—then they usually drop to about 30. Yet the LaserVue produces “jet black” blacks. Yet the power consumption is positively green: A mere 94 watts on average drive its intense 65-inch screen. LCDs and plasmas use 3x-4x that, and often more. There’s a lot more intensely detailed numbers and specs over at HD Guru if you really want to dive deep into this thing, but the bottom line is that it’s worth seven grand, if you’ve got it, since I don’t think there will be any holiday sales on this puppy. [HD Guru] [...]

[...] Reviews of Mitsubishi’s $7000 laser-lit stunner have been rolling in for a bit, but HD Guru (who helped us buy an HDTV like a pro) has the first truly sophisticated technical evaluation—after watching it for 12 hours straight—of the best use of lasers in your living room yet. Not only does it have the most eye-popping colors, detailed blacks and pupil-squeezing brightness of any set he’s tested, it uses less power than a 100-watt bulb, making it the greenest too. We’ve covered several prototypes of the LaserVue set, and Gary says it blows all of them away, and “rates in the stratosphere of top displays” of the very best sets like Pioneer’s Kuro Gen 2, Pansonic’s 65VX100U plasma and LED-backlit LCDs. The major issue conquered in the final version over the prototypes is speckling, the sparkles you see when you reflect a laser off of a flat surface (try it with a laser pointer). There are none. To dive into the nittier gritter, it has the widest color gamut of any set Gary’s ever tested, far beyond the HDTV Rec. 709 broadcast standard: “Reds are so intense and crimson they’re indescribable. Ditto for yellows, purples and other colors and hues.” [...]

[...] How’s it stack up to Pioneer’s Kuro, one of the top plasmas in the game? As far as motion-resolution goes—the all-important ability to maintain crisp images while they’re in motion on the screen—it’s actually better. According to HD Guru Gary Merson (who was more interested in running his calibration discs on the 150 than sticking with us for some Counter Strike, God bless ’im), the 150-incher, even as a prototype, scored a resolution of 920 lines on a 1080i signal. Pioneer’s ’08 Kuros, the next best, scored 900. Our bet is that Dorothy can’t best the Kuro in the contrast department, but as you can see from all of our shots, it’s no slouch. Check out more performance specs in Gary’s 125-TV mega-guide. Below: Gary testing motion resolution. How much power does she suck down, and at what cost? Dorothy is addicted to raw electricity—we’re talking two dedicated 15-amp, single-phase, 208-volt lines which produce around 3,000 watts on average. Dorothy peaks at around 7,000 watts of direct consumption. Not exactly EnergyStar. [...]

[...] permalink I got this article in my RSS feeds. This might help you in selecting a HDTV. Giz Explains: How to Buy an HDTV Like a Pro The economy sucks. But like Warren Buffett, you should be greedy when everyone else is skurred. If you’ve got the extra scratch, this is probably the best holiday season ever to buy an HDTV, since retailers don’t want a pile of them going obsolete in their warehouse. But what should you look for in an HDTV? HD Guru Gary Merson�a dude who’s reviewed 125 TVs at once�uses sophisticated gear for his own studies, but told us the five most important things that all the rest of us Joe the Plumber types can look out for when buying an HDTV. You can’t exactly load up a bunch of test signals and spectrum analyzers to carry into Best Buy to check out their TVs (though Gary has been known to do this). Still, there are some basic things you can look for beyond the specs, which are at times intentionally misleading. Once you’ve swept the reviews from the likes of HD Guru, CNet and Home Entertainment, giving you an approximate idea of the best performers in your price range, find out where they are and visit them in person. Obviously, the sets on the shelf aren’t always properly tuned, but if the store is committed to making a sale�and they are more now than ever before�they should produce a remote and let you mess around to properly vet it for your living situation. Contrast The contrast ratio is the most important thing to look for in today’s HDTVs. But don’t be fooled by crap like a 1,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio�it’s truly meaningless, since there’s not even test equipment to provide documented proof of the retardedly high numbers they throw out. What you can do, though, is check out the blacks. Bright whites aren’t a big issue today�most TVs now perform admirably on that side of the spectrum�so blacks are the most important. Take a dark scene, and cup your hands around a black area of the screen, blocking out all the ambient light from your view. What it’s look like? Does it glow? Or is it really black? Next, how does it flow from dark to light? Is it a smooth gradation or is it a harsh step up? You want really deep, dark blacks and bright whites, but you want a nice even gradation between the two. Historically, plasmas have been better at blacks, but LED-backlit LCDs are catching up. Since the latter are ridiculously expensive, you’ll probably find a better deal on a plasma. Angle of View This test is pretty easy. Stand in the center of the TV. Then move off to the right or left. How quickly do the colors start to turn unnatural or seriously lose saturation? If colors shift or fade quickly, you will have problems. You want the widest viewing angle possible�that is to say, you want the picture to look as good as far off to the side as possible�so people stuck on your sofa’s netherparts aren’t left out of the I Am Legend suckfest. As you can see here, even LCDs from the same maker can have different viewing angles: Vertical viewing angle is less important because you will generally place your TV level with your eyes while seated, but if you watch TV while doing other things, and don’t have a fancy swivel wall mount, you should try to see how colors shift or fade as you crouch down or tiptoe up above the TV screen. LCDs tend to have more problems than plasma in this regard�the costly, otherwise awesome LED-backlit LCDs are especially known to have reduced viewing angles. Microdisplay projection TVs, like the Mitsubishi LaserVue and other DLPs, are also subject to viewing-angle issues, mostly a reduction in brightness. Static Resolution Static resolution is a little difficult to comprehensively evaluate without test signals, but you can kind of eyeball it by looking at fine detail on a set. If you’re watching a Yankees game�one of Gary’s favorite examples�can you make out the pinstripes cleanly? On a close-up of a head of hair, can you see every strand? It’s all about the details. On a crappy set, you just can’t see ‘em. Motion Resolution Motion resolution matters a lot if you’re a sports or action movie fan. It’s also fairly easy to test, just have them put on a baseball or football game. Remember the Yankee pinstripes? Sure they might look clean when a pitcher is chilling on the mound, but how about when he winds up? Or when a football player is dashing down the field, can you see his legs, or are they a total blur? On a set with good motion resolution, you wouldn’t lose those details. Again, plasma traditionally has the edge here, though 120Hz LCDs do make up for LCD’s inherent motion-blur weakness. Overall Impression This is probably the most subjective, though ultimately what really matters. Do you like what you see? On a great set, the picture will be crisp, the colors will be vibrant and rich (aka saturated) and it’ll have a nice pop to it. As much as personal taste matters, the most "objective" way to evaluate this is to look at faces. Do they look real, with natural, smooth transitions from lighter to darker areas, or are there severe discrepancies between one area and another? Some older HDTVs gave standard-def faces a waxy look. Just take a step back and think about what you really think looks fantastic (within your budget, of course). That should cover most of the basics of eye-on-the-tube picture quality evaluation�it’s not the only thing to look for in an HDTV, but definitely the most important after price. And speaking of price, stay glued to Giz for heads-ups on the best TV deals to put all this new insight to use. And if you’ve got any other TV buying tips, let ‘em loose in the comments. You can also get more in-depth info about plasma and LCD TVs here and here. __________________ [...]

Although a Samsung spokesman said that a downloadable firmware update is available for customers already having these Samsung models, I have not yet been successful in finding information regarding Samsung’s strategy, process or procedures for informing customers of the availability of the update and the imp-lementation method. (South Africa)

[...] Originally Posted by Alilsneaky One more question to other owners of this tv. The picture is supposed to stay as sharp as a static piture when moving slowly/panning or moving fast (any movie action scene) right? I keep noticing how clear and sharp and beautifull the picture and colors can be when theres a non-moving or zoomed in (on someones face for example) picture on my screen, but when it starts moving it seems to deteriorate SO badly , it looks like it loses all focus and sharpness that makes HD look like HD, it starts to look more like 800-600 resolution on a 1600×1200 pc screen… Take a look at this document from hdguru http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads…-125-hdtvs.pdf has the motion resolution from many LCD & Plasma TV’s they tested. Will You See All The HDTV Resolution You Expected? 125 2008 Model Test Results- HD GURU Exclusive � HDGURU.Com [...]

[...] H­D Guru Gary Me­rso­n­ h­as o­ut­do­n­e­ h­is o­w­n­ ambit­io­us t­rac­k re­c­o­rd, r­evi­ewi­n­g 125 T­Vs f­o­r­ a­ si­n­gl­e st­o­r­y­. H­e­ doe­sn­’t­ go in­t­o t­h­e­ ae­st­h­e­t­ic­ de­sign­ of e­ac­h­ m­ode­l­, or e­ve­n­ m­e­asure­ c­on­t­rast­ an­d c­ol­or de­pt­h­. In­st­e­ad, h­e­ boil­s it­ dow­n­ t­o som­e­ c­rit­e­ria you w­o­n­’t fin­d o­n­ co­r­po­r­a­te­ site­s o­r­ pr­e­ss r­e­le­a­se­s. [...]

All I want to know is. Which is the best buy over 40″

The 3:2 Test failures is not a new issue. I was reported in a few previous years’ tests. All the manufacturers should by now be aware of it. For example see a 2007 report http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/1107hook2/
Why should we now believe the Samsung spokesman that a firmware update is now available while the Samsung agents and distributors are totally unaware of the problem? Why did the manufacturers not aqct on the reports from previous years?

Gary,
I was looking for the proper section to add this to.
Be aware folks.
The link: http://gizmodo.com/5075139/how-best-buy-sells-its-pricey-hdtv-calibration-service-deception

The LN-46A950 looks to be the winner of best overall HD display that properly render most HD standard. Am I wrong?

Yes there is more 720P broadcasting now but as a full HD TV, this is the one that will give you most of your Full HD experience. No?

The Samsung spokesman that said a downloadable firmware update is available now for owners of earlier production units (and that prbably implies vitually all TV units), must please provide a URL link to where the update can be downloaded from as well as the implementation instructions. Samsung agents are totally unaware of this and don’t seem to care.

I bought a Pioneer Kuro 5080hdtv 720p last january, and have the scientific atlanta hd box supplied by cablevision. I have hooked up hdmi cables and movies and most hd programming is amazing. the world series was also a flawless picture, but hd football is a different story. The white lines on the field, in the crowd, or on helmets (esentially white blocks of color) are blurred, or more accurately, seem to vibrate on the field. The picture is beyond a nuisance, almost unbearable. What is the deal??

Note from the Samsung website: Only NTSC video contains this 3:2 pattern. PAL video – which is the format used in much of the rest of the world – runs at 25 fps and requires an altogether different pattern to solve this problem (24:1 pulldown). http://ars.samsung.com/customer/ctry/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?isREL=Y&SITE_ID=58&AT_ID=48791&ARS_ID=8153456

In the United States, televisions use the NTSC broadcasting format. Film is shot at 24 frames per second (fps), but NTSC television signals run at 30 fps. As a result, it is necessary to convert the 24 distinct frames in a second of film into 30 new frames that can be played back on television. If you were to ignore this different frame rate and attempt to play back your film material at a 1:1 ratio with video frames, your material would play back at 125% of the actual speed — a one minute film clip would playback in 48 seconds!

During “telecine” ( film-to-tape transfer) when film material is converted into video, a 3:2 pulldown sequence is introduced into the footage which mixes alternating combinations of 3 and 2 video fields. This process stretches the 24 frames per second of film into 30 frames, so that when a converted film is played as video it has the appropriate number of frames per second.

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Is there any testing for 3:2 update on the Samsung LN46A950 firmware update?

I’ve found an error:

“Sony KDL-40W4100 40″ LCD 1080p/60Hz Pass Pass 1050 600 Full”

The KDL-40W4100 definitely has a 120 Hz refresh rate.

Also, I have a question. How can the TV have have “Full” bandwidth, but then only display 1050 out of 1080 lines (without motion)? If it has “Full” bandwidth, then shouldn’t it display all 1080 lines (without motion)?

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Samsung owners that want to update their FW to the latest (Paul) can find the update thusly;
Go to the Samsung’s product page for the TV you own,
Scroll down and on the right side you’ll find the
Download Center link, use it,
There is a tab, Firmware, use it
You’ll find the latest FW and instructions.
Mine was here for the LN52A650;
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_nm=LN52A650A1F&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=R&prd_ia_cd=02010100&disp_nm=LN52A650

Your study a year or two ago showed the Sharp LC-46D64U to pass both tests. Now it fails the 3:2 pulldown test. What gives?

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