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Samsung UN46B8000 240Hz LCD “LED TV”-Exclusive First Review

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Thin is in at Samsung. The company’s new 6000, 7000 and 8000 LED backlit series measure a svelte 1.2″ deep. These sets just about disappear when viewed from the side. The top of the line 8000 series, available in both 46” ($3199.99) and 55” ($3999.99) versions, adds true 240Hz refresh rate to the feature-packed 7000 series. Samsung calls these sets “LED TVs,” but exactly what does that mean?

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While Samsung identifies these new, thin sets as “LED TVs” in its ads and on the shipping cartons, and while its website proclaims “a new HDTV technology…,” this is simply not the case.

These sets use conventional LCD (liquid crystal display) technology. White LEDs (light emitting diodes) mounted around the bezel edge, instead of more conventional means of illumination, provide panel backlighting.

There are true LED displays, of course, like Mitsubishi’s Diamond Vision and Panasonic’s Astrovision, used as giant outdoor displays in stadiums and in New York’s Times Square, that utilize up to 30 million red, blue and green LEDs to produce a full-color HD image.

Best Buy piles on, mimicking Samsung’s advertising in its weekly circular, listing these sets as LED HDTVs, while other LCD-based sets are identified as “LCD HDTVs.” In-store shelf tags also identify the televisions as “LED HDTVs” (see photos).

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LED backlighting is hardly new technology. Sony introduced the first LED backlit LCD HDTVs in Japan over five years ago and the first in the US in 2005. Sony first introduced edge-mounted LED LCD TVs in 2008.

So, despite Samsung’s position, large flat screen HDTVs continue to use one of two technologies: LCD and plasma. LCD sets not using LED backlighting, use fluorescent lamps (usually a type known as CCFL). So, should you choose to buy one of these ultra-thin new Samsungs, keep in mind you’re not buying “new technology,” never mind a scaled down version of a Diamond Vision football stadium display!

What It Is

As previously stated, the UN46B8000 has a refresh rate of 240Hz for improved motion resolution.  Unlike some other vendors touting 120 Hz displays with scanning backlights as 240 Hz, this Samsung uses twin MEMC (motion estimation motion compensation) chips to achieve a true 240 Hz refresh rate. The chips create interpolated frames between actual source frames. Movie film moves at a rate of 24 frames per second. To achieve 240 Hz, film frames must either be repeated ten times, or new frames created (via signal processing) by interpolating two adjacent frames to create intermediate ones. The test results appear in the performance section below.

Inputs include an Ethernet jack (for access to select internet widgets and websites), a USB jack (for viewing compatible still photo, video files and music files and to add firmware updates), 4 HDMI inputs, 1 component video input with L/R audio, 1 composite input with L/R audio input and a 15 pin Sub D (analog) PC input. There is no S-video input.

Note that due to the shallow depth of this Samsung, the 8000’s HDMI inputs require sideways insertion at the panel’s rear edge. The connectors are spaced more closely than on any other set tested. While it’s a tight fit, all but one HDMI cable we tried had sufficient room for insertion. It’s likely, though, that there are other HDMI cables on the market that may be too fat to fit.  Inserting an internet connected Ethernet cable into the “RJ45′ type jack enabled the 8000 to quickly self-configure, allowing use of Yahoo widgets for on-screen sports news and weather, as well as Flickr and other selected websites.

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The UN46B8000 has four picture modes (Dynamic for showrooms, Standard, Natural and Movie) Except as otherwise noted, measurements and picture evaluations were made in the Movie mode,  which was deemed as the most accurate.

There are a plethora of user settings in addition to normal picture settings (i.e. Brightness, Color, and Contrast etc.), including Dynamic contrast (buries darker areas into black and crushes lighter areas), Black tone (darkens darker areas but also buries dark detail), Flesh tone (makes skin redder) and Edge Enhancement (produces more distinct edges without halos) For the most accurate image set these controls to “off”.

The remote control is large with lit buttons. Hot buttons include “content” for internet widget activation as well as a media player (via USB) and picture size (6 aspect ratios including a 1:1 called “wide fit”).

The screen bezel is finished in gloss black with a chrome-type edge. The 8000 includes a brushed aluminum swivel stand. It weighs in at just 39.5 lbs. (without stand).

Performance

The edge-mounted rows of LEDs produce a level of performance with both distinct advantages and disadvantages compared to conventional behind-the-LCD panel light sources. The major advantages of this configuration are low energy consumption, a very thin form factor and high image brightness. The UN46B8000 uses less energy than any large screen HDTV flat panel we’ve ever tested.  In the “Dynamic” retail showroom mode it consumed just 148 watts with an on-center screen brightness of 79 ft. lamberts (the dynamic setting defaults to the “backlight” of 10, the maximum).  The “Home” mode default is called “Standard” mode, (with a preset “5″ level backlight control setting) and consumed 123 watts. The “Movie” mode with the backlight set to “1″ consumed just 94 watts, with a brightness of 22.3 ft lamberts. Unlike rear mounted LEDs, which can change brightness within zones where the image darkens, the edge mounted design requires a steady intensity. This results in a steady power meter reading, and creates a direct correlation between the level of black and ultimate brightness. The best compromise is a backlight setting of “1″. Lowering the control to “0″ made the image too dim, while raising it caused blacks to lighten. The “1″ setting was fine for evening or day viewing with window shades; however, daytime viewing in rooms without window treatment may require a higher backlight setting to provide a sufficiently bright image, sacrificing deep black levels. The black level is quite low, though not as deep as our reference Pioneer Pro-141FD plasma

Getting the LED white light to travel from the edges to behind the LCD panel requires an optical wave guide that twists the light 90 degrees. This is no easy feat to perfect and Samsung hasn’t managed to completely nail it: screen uniformity wasn’t perfect when viewing a full white screen test pattern. On rare occasions, when viewing content with white areas at the top or bottom edge (see photo, note red circle is a room lamp reflection not the TV) or a blue sky, this non-uniformity gave the screen edge a schmutzy (dirty) appearance.
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Viewing angle is another LCD issue, and this LED-lit LCD is no exception. Blacks appear lighter and whites darker as one moves off axis, either vertically or horizontally. While this effect is visible with all LCD displays, the fall off is greater with the LED edge-lit 8000. Measuring brightness at 20 degrees horizontal off dead center revealed a brightness decrease of 15%, along with lighter blacks. Whether or not this is an issue, depends upon your viewing distance and the width of your viewing area.

The 8000’s performance shined in areas of signal processing, motion resolution, noise reduction and gray scale accuracy, passing all the standard definition HQV tests for 3:2 Film detection, detail and noise reduction.  It also passed the HD HQV deinterlacing 1080i signals and film cadence tests with the 8000 set to Film Mode 1. Warm 2 color temperature was near the industry D6500 standard and fine-tuned near perfection using the 8000’s “White Balance” control with the aid of signal generator and a Photo Research spectroradiometer.

There are two controls for the 8000s “Auto Motion Plus” 240Hz circuitry. Access is available by using the “Custom” mode (the other modes are factory presets and “off”). The first control labeled “Blur Reduction” can reduce or eliminate motion blur with video based sources such as live sports, newscasts, reality TV and some scripted series. The second control is called “Judder Reduction”, it smoothes out horizontal pans of film based sources (movies and many scripted TV series) eliminating the stutter present on other displays and supposedly reduces motion blur, though this is difficult to confirm. Unfortunately there is no objective test material currently available to quantify the amount of blur reduction with 24 fps source material.

Using the video-based FPD test disc, the “Blur Reduction”  set to “0″ produced a motion resolution of 320 lines, the same as seen on most 60 Hz LCDs. Increasing the control to the “5″ position measured 630 lines of motion resolution, about the same result as most 120 Hz LCD flat panels previously measured. Cranking the control to the maximum “10″ position produced full 1080 line resolution. The only trade-off—a slight horizontal streaking—is more apparent as the control setting is increased. This was only noticeable close-up on light objects featuring dark details such as black lettering on a white street sign, or a girl’s dark lipstick against her light face as she swings on a rope. Overall the effect was insignificant enough to keep the control locked at the 10 maximum.

The “Judder Reduction” control makes pans appear smoother. The trade-off was that film-based material appears more like “live video” with a smoother texture as the control setting is increased, as if the film grain has been reduced or nearly eliminated. Comparing the 8000 against our reference Pioneer Pro-141FD confirmed the video-like look, noticeable even when the control is set to “Off”!  Some viewers like the improved smoothness while others (including myself) don’t.  The best compromise was with the control set to position “1″.

HDTV color accuracy was excellent. With the 8000’s “Color Space” set to auto the primaries show a very slight deviation from the Rec. 709 HDTV standard. Samsung claims the colors can be precisely fine tuned using the 8000’s custom “Color Space” control; if one has the inclination and the proper test equipment.

Evaluating image quality using Verizon FIOS cable (SD and HD) and Blu-ray confirmed the UN46B8000’s ability to produced fine looking pictures. The judder reduction circuitry really smoothed out the image during fast action sequences, such as seen in the Transporter 3 Audi-Mercedes chase (Chapter 10) on Blu-ray.

The full motion resolution and overall excellent performance places the UN46B8000 at the top of all the LCD HDTVs tested. We will see if the 8000 can keep its crown when we review the current Samsung and Sony LED rear backlit models currently in queue. Despite our quibbles regarding its “new technology” advertising, this Samsung is the first HDTV to deliver the dream of a thin, light weight, bright, clear 46″ HDTV that you can easily hang on the wall like a painting. The HD Guru awards the Samsung UN46B8000 ♥♥♥.

-HDGuru® with Michael Fremer

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Comments

Sara
Posted on 28th May, 2009

Looking dam hot, thats going to be my next purchase.

Jason
Posted on 28th May, 2009

Totally awesome, but when will LCD/LED/OLED finally beat out plasma for blacks?

coreysmith
Posted on 28th May, 2009

guru,

you never clarified what this tv does with 24p. does it multiply by 10, does it interpolate, or does it make any difference?

Using 24fps native sources , the judder reduction (jr) “off” or “0″ position the 8000 does 10-10 frame repeat, interpolated frame insertion occurs  with jr set to position 1-10 (according to Samsung).

HD Guru

Robert Jones
Posted on 28th May, 2009

I don’t know how accurate this review is. This is an edge-lit LED model. The locally dimming models (such as the upcoming Samsung 9000 series and the currently available Sony XBR9 are locally dimming models…and are superior.

B.
Posted on 28th May, 2009

Does the 8000 have the same backlight pumping problem that the other Luxia LCDs had? (meaning that the whole screen darkens during dark scenes to give off the illusion of deeper blacks. This in turn darkens the whites/highlights on the screen too) This “feature” couldn’t be turned off in the other Luxia LCDs.

jesse
Posted on 28th May, 2009

i wonder how the XBR8 stacks up to this 8 series which is more of a true LED technology using local dimming technology. the series 9 Samsung LED comes out in August i believe which will use this local dimming tech.

etype2
Posted on 28th May, 2009

Fair and balanced review.

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Posted on 28th May, 2009

[...] HD Guru just scored the first review with the $3,200 46-inch Samsung UN46B8000. It’s an LED-backlit LCD that measures just over an inch thick and refreshes images at 240Hz. HD Guru loved the display, calling it the best LCD ever. The full motion resolution and overall excellent performance places the UN46B8000 at the top of all the LCD HDTVs tested….this Samsung is the first HDTV to deliver the dream of a thin, light weight, bright, clear 46″ large screen HDTV that you can easily hang on the wall like a painting. [...]

baggio
Posted on 28th May, 2009

I went to best buy today to buy the elite pro 111 because a few days ago was $4399 and now is down to $2999… next to the elite was this same model but 55″ for 3999.
I was amazed by the picture of the “led” tv.
Now, the elite was connected to crappy satellite and the samsung had a blu-ray source so I asked one of the employees if she could switch the blu-ray to the elite. She did and then I change the picture mode of the pioneer to “pure’. Amazing too.
The movie(transformers, I think)in the samsung looked more like 3-d and a little soft like a video game, in the Elite it was more real, more natural, perhaps more grainy with awesome blacks.
I’m confused.

Jesse S
Posted on 28th May, 2009

Can the set do 10 repeated frames for 24hz material AND still retain full 1080 lines in motion when set to “10″?

The interpolated frames on the old 120hz models absolutely destroy the look of film and I’m sure the 240hz interpolation is just as bad (or even worse).

cheap lcd tv
Posted on 28th May, 2009

LCD televisions are all the rage these days. It’s little wonder that the markets today are inundated with endless models of plasma televisions from various brands. But this one LCD TV is really outstanding right now. Because it has an outstanding picture quality, thanks for sharing.

Joshua
Posted on 29th May, 2009

“HD GURU called it the best LCD ever”. Wow, that’s like saying “this plane is the best prop plane ever”. The picture on this thig blows compaired to a good plasma. LED! LED! LED!, you all bought into this marketing hype nonsense. So it’s thin, I don’t watch a TV becasue it’s thin, I watch it because it has a good picture and the reason why I watch a plasma. How can so many people be so brain washed over a inferior TV picture technology. Any videofile knows plasma has and will always have a better picture. People, you’re watching a plastic screen with lights behind it (or around it in this case)!!

Allen West
Posted on 29th May, 2009

Sharp XS1 RGB LED LCD was tested by Sound and Vision Magazine and it beat the mighty KURO in blacks and easily!

james
Posted on 30th May, 2009

LCD still can’t deliver inky blacks and turns film into video quality. All this for 4 grand. Save 2 grand and go buy a plasma – technology that delivers at half the price.

jonsmith
Posted on 31st May, 2009

@ allen west,

not so fast- s&v compared the sharp to a first gen Kuro. and there’s no “THE mighty kuro”. you do realize pioneer made more than 1 “kuro”? oh, and “kuro” isnt a model number? (i.e., bravia, viera, regza, luxia etc…)

Scott
Posted on 31st May, 2009

Just the best TV out there for those who don’t want room heaters .

CCFL lit LCD’s and even worse my plasma put out so much heat it made extended viewing a problem, at one point I needed a fan to blow the heat from my room.

Warmth from this TV is hardly perceiveable. This alone made it worth while. I may unpack my plasma in the witertime if by boiler goes..

John
Posted on 31st May, 2009

I have to say that these have not been very impressive, at least in the stores. I saw one next to a Toshiba 240hz LCD model and the Toshiba had demonstrably better color and image in almost every way. I don’t see any reviews for the Toshiba, however so maybe it was just calibrated better. I still think the Panasonic G,V and Z series has the best picture overall, but the Toshiba has the best picture I have seen on an LCD – in a store setting.

server
Posted on 1st June, 2009

It will be very useful!

maicroft
Posted on 1st June, 2009

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devill
Posted on 1st June, 2009

Surprisingly,аn author is a fine fellow !!!

dex
Posted on 2nd June, 2009

Great, so they’re thin. Why is Samsung replacing the 9-series with these? My LN46A950 (LED backlight array with local dimming) looks 100% better in low-light settings than these do. In fact, I’ve only seen a couple of high-end plasmas that have better black levels and contrast ratios than the 9-series Samsung LCDs. To those that think that plasma is the only way to go…well, I was looking for something that won’t burn-in running my game consoles and using it as a monitor for my HTPC, have a longer lifespan (plasmas still burn out faster than even CRTs), don’t double as space-heaters, and don’t jack up my power bills. Don’t get me wrong, plasma is great for some people, but it wasn’t the right choice for my application, especially since my 9-series LCD looks better than most plasmas as it is.

BlackSunshine
Posted on 3rd June, 2009

I looked at these Samsung 6/7/8000 LCD tvs, at CES this last January, and was not impressed right off the bat. Formfactor is great, but picture quality is noticably softer than the 950 series, and said this to the Samsung rep by these tvs at CES. He was surprised that I thought that. I also thought that Toshiba’s LCD display was the best looking at CES, as far as picture quality is concerned. I own a Samsung 52″750 series as a loft tv for the kids and it looks great with bluray, but the soap opera effect really bugs when watching reqular HD sat. I am hoping the new 240hz looks better, which the Toshiba in what little viewing I have done, does look promising, at least a lot less annoying.

dave
Posted on 3rd June, 2009

scott is correct. my 58 inch samsung plasma, which i bought in March, is like a room heater. its amazing, i have the ceiling fan on all the time the set is on. i saw the LED today at best buy and i am truly amazed, no heat and super thin. i am frustrated and depressed. i wish i had waited two months. oh well, time to take a thousand dollar loss on craigs list and buy the new one….
sigh….

lateeeee
Posted on 4th June, 2009

about this 8000series in games…how about input-lag? not bad or not bad with “game mode”? if “game mode” is on, is there possible to keep all 240hz and other smootheners/motion resolution boosters on? thanks :)

Tom
Posted on 6th June, 2009

I wish this review had some discussion about screen glare. If you google lcd vs plasma one of the points that is always brought up is that for a brightly lit room, LCD is superior. My viewing area has three tall windows about 15 feet directly across from the set with conventional wood slat type blinds. On a glass screen TV such as plasma, you cannot stand to watch the set in the daytime due to the lines from the light leakage thru the slats. I currently own an 56″ rear projection HD-ILA, and glare is not a problem at all. I am sure many homeowners have a situation like me, where the room conditions are not ideal for a set that has a screen that reflects glare to a great extent.

Sam Bass
Posted on 7th June, 2009

Just a couple of observations…..the heat issue…while those of you commenting about Plasma talked about how cool the LED was, your mssg sounded like you did not put you hand on a plasma but were referencing the past….If you did wereboth sets showing the same thing, were they both setup the same(as much as possible)? The answer is that both Panasonic and Samsung plasmas currently on the market feel very close to the same as the LED….but then it depends on where you put your hand on the LED, doesn’t it??? Try it. I was in a store that had a Panasonic 720, a Samsung 720 and the LED all merchandised vertically-one row. The LED looked great, then I began to notice that the lighter colors were far superior on the Plasmas. Try it….you don’t even need a 1080 Pan/Sam to see the difference.
The generalized statement about power consumption is just more BS. Yes the new plasmas do consume more than the LED, as do virtually all other LCD’s.
You can look into the screen on the LED and see the store behind you…as with many of the newer LCD’s, because of a glossier screen. Maybe a better concept than the blanket statement of which is best in light, would be the concept of proper mounting/placement of the product…..there are very few light issues, plasma or LCD, that cannot be corrected if you have the ability to tilt or swivel the set a small amount.

Burn in….please…..read your LCD manuals…..headline news for how long? don’t leave in bright direct sunlight for more than how long?
The facts are it is easier to fix burn in(if you are careless enough to allow it) on a plasma than an LCD…..hmm! let’s see I can run a full action movie on the plasma for 24 hrs to get rid of it…..or I can get this, UPLUG MY LCD FOR A WEEK” to get rid of it.
The nature of the process for generating the colors dictates that with equally well made plasmas and lcd’s the plasmas will always serve the color needs best.

If you put an action BluRay on anything except a Pan/Sam plasma you get how many vertical lines of resolution……do you know…..low 900’s more than likely….Put the same BluRay on the 600Hz plasmas and you lose not lines of resolution. Now think thru that and before you ignore my next statement think thru it and try it if you dare. If your new xyz lcd is performing at 900 or so lines of vertical resolution during fast action, and has inferior color, and your 600Hz 720 plasma is running a true 720 lines of vertical resolution with the same fast action, which will look the best?????? That was a question, not a statement……but you may be amazed when you do the comparison.
Gotta go catch a train.

Sam

baggio
Posted on 9th June, 2009

Update: After days and days of research, many tests and so many visits to BB I finally made the best decision.
Pioneer Elite pro 111
Best. Tv. Ever.
$2999 – $300 (10% moving coupon, it works!)
$2699.

Steve
Posted on 12th June, 2009

Actually, I just sold my 71 inch Samsung DLP and bought the Series 8 (UN55B000XF), and it is stunning.

Unfortunately, there are no cable systems that broadcast any more than 1080i. The only signal sources that do are the Blu-ray players. I have the Sony. While it has the HDMI output I used my 4 year old Pioneer Receiver to handle all inputs and outputs to get the great sound. This older model will not transmit 1080p and requires the Sony to be in 1080i mode.

You can’t win for losing. Now another 2K+ needed for the latest receiver.

Bottom line – you update one component, you upgrade them ALL!

The Tiger

etype2
Posted on 13th June, 2009

DirectTV has begun downloading 1080P movies directly to their HD vcr. You can currently view ” The top 10 movies ” directly (no pun intended) from the vcr with the obligatory rental fee of course. :-) without being connected to the internet. They look great BTW. A call to a senior staff person at DirecTV, stated they intend to roll out much more 1080P content in near future. Again, no internet connection, the 10 most popular new releases now available in 1080P.

Conversion Van
Posted on 14th June, 2009

What’s that Marketing People stretching the truth to try and trick the ignorant? What happened to truth in Advertising. Anyways now that June 12th has passed I’m looking for a new bedroom TV to replace the old 25″ analog Sony. I came across a neat (specs on paper) Samsung 23″… but you can’t tilt or swivel the set (What is Samsung thinking?). Why can’t the manufacturers put any cool high end technology into the smaller sets. I still have not found an impressive 26″ LCD. It’s not all about price point at this size is it? I love cool high end tiny gadgets – iPod is a great example.

HDera.ru
Posted on 15th June, 2009

2Conversion Van
“I still have not found an impressive 26″ LCD. It’s not all about price point at this size is it?”

What do you think about sony 26v4500 – toppest 26″ LCD TV on a market… or maybe 1/2 priced Samsung 26B450 – cheap and good enough. Im hesitating between them… or maybe middle-one 26S4000 – good price in Russia, less than $500.

New sasmung OLED TVs have good picture quality but unreal price tag.

Thanks for blog!

JB
Posted on 17th June, 2009

what were the measurements for the set? how close was white balance? good tracking from top to bottom? I agree it looks good but I would love to know the numbers. Also what do you use to take measurements, I have an old Sencore unit but it is not very accurate with LCD’s. Thanks

jeff

Mike From Philadelphia
Posted on 17th June, 2009

You guys are knit picking.This t.v. is perfect.The picture quality is amazing.It’s thin and it’s easy to lift or mount on a wall.The television may seem a little “softer” than the old 9 series models because it uses less power.Approximately 40% less power which equals a lower electric bill,a cooler t.v. and a cooler room. Anyone with common sense can see this t.v. is bang for your buck.I’ve seen these t.v.’s for as low as $2,400.You could never find a new model Kuro,Sony Bravia etc. for that cheap.

Randy From NH
Posted on 19th June, 2009

Sam Bass
Posted on 7th June, 2009

This has to be the most useless uninformed review I have ever read!

Randy From NH
Posted on 19th June, 2009

I happen to own a UN55B8000 and this thing blows away any plasma picture I have ever seen.

joe
Posted on 21st June, 2009

great article, thanks for explaining that this isn’t new technology. I saw this at Best Buy and the quality did seem superior to the other TVs there.

Wall LCD
Posted on 27th June, 2009

Thanks for this post

blu-ray player reviews
Posted on 28th June, 2009

I like this Samsung product, I am dreaming but I have not enough money.

Vick
Posted on 29th June, 2009

I am deciding between LN46B750 and UN46B8000, which one would you sugeest? LN is around 1600 and UN 2400. is the difference worth it?
Thanks!

Tammy
Posted on 2nd July, 2009

Please help…

We have the 7500 series and we still have blurr with hockey and football games? We are hooked up to our HD receiver with an HDMI/DVI cable (no adapter).

Thanks for your time

Bob
Posted on 4th July, 2009

I was kinda waiting for the price to drop down on the samsung 55″ 7000 but the price is dropping on the 55″ 8000 as well. would my best bet to buy the 8000 for the 240hz orrrr what about the samsung ln52b750 ? I know Im loosing a couple inches but I have read good things about it to.I have looked at several tv’s but its getting down to buying one.I am going to best buy today to look around again.I also have a xbox-360 would the 240hz be better then the 120hz? And what about the new samsung 9000 do you have any info on that?? thanks bob

Sean
Posted on 6th July, 2009

Thanks for Samsung LED review, esp on the “what it isn’t”, any word on the competitors (e.g. LG has a cheaper 55″ LED at a big box and also a Sony 55″ LED), how do they stack up vs Samsung’s 55″ LED (and the LG has a lower glare screen than Samsung for the folks with windows like me)

alex
Posted on 8th July, 2009

PLEAZ HELP I need owners feed back ( rating on 10 ) before purchasing…

Merv
Posted on 9th July, 2009

I think the Sammy 55 9000 series is going to be about $800 to $1000 more than the same size 8000 series. BestBuy matched a sales Sears was having on 4th of July for $3399. Went ahead and made the plunge. yeah, teh local dimming on the 9000 would be nice, but of all the issues I read about, concern about the black levels is not up there for me. Certainly not to the tune of $800 and waiting 2 more months. The UN55B8000 is beautiful TV.

Bob
Posted on 11th July, 2009

Went to 6th avenue to buy the new 63″ Samsung plasma but couldn’t after viewing the UN7000 they had on the wall, which had best 3d effect I’ve ever seen and super resolution without any video effect. The Samsung plasma had no 3d effect and a $6000 Kuro playing the latest Batman also had no 3d effect compared to the 7000. After taking the 7000 home I learned about the 8000 and traded in after a week. The 8000 is clearly better (had 4 days now), I usually do a custom 5/2 motion setting and then standard TV (T/W digital) has some 3d effect (first time I’ve seen that), good high def tv looks like bluray (wow), and the bluray pictures are so amazing and 3d that I see them literally in my dreams, and the 3d effect is present thru the entire movie. It’s as though each viewing quality was pushed up to the next level. We just sit and watch the amazing 3d effect, finally even changing from Forbidden Kingdom after several times thru, from 7000 to 8000. 5th element is too good to describe, up till 2:30AM just to watch. Underworld evolution is perfectly detailed and bright enough while on any other TV I’ve seen is too dark. The opening and ending scenes are so real they’re unreal (hard to describe). Just bought a pioneer elite BDP23FD which plays pretty well. The 7000’s motion wasn’t quite good enough and had to be adjusted back and forth during movies, the 8000 is noticably better and finally up to par. For some pictures, I set motion to standard but most are best at custom 5/1 or 5/2. This gives both the movie effect and ultimate 3d effect at the same time – wow. Other’s (younger people) prefer more video effect, which makes people look real (literally) but as though they’re standing in the room and not in a believable movie, again with custom I get the best of both and can leave the setting alone thru the movie, although can switch to standard motion for certain scenes to become absurdly real – such as in Forbidden Kingdom when the staff and blade from Jet Li and the warlord are shown close up or when the little bird flies in at the end. It’s easy enough to set the player to any desired setting, I’ll look to see if it can be programmed to a few settings from the remote. I have experience with 1080p/24 projectors, my 60″ Sony 120Hz DLP and what I’ve seen in the stores on several occasions, but the 8000 is amazing and by far the best picture (in terms of 3d realism while still having a film effect) and at $3100 bargaining at 6th Ave a good deal. It’s so light at 60 lbs I carried it and set it up myself, grabbing middle bottom and side. I don’t see any issue viewing off angle. Sorry for the rambling but wanted to share my experience…

Phil
Posted on 11th July, 2009

The guru mentioned that due to the shallow depth of this Samsung, the 8000’s HDMI inputs require sideways insertion at the panel’s rear edge. The connectors are spaced more closely than on any other set tested. While it’s a tight fit, all but one HDMI cable we tried had sufficient room for insertion. What are the brands of HDMI cable that fit this TV?

tuffbubble
Posted on 13th July, 2009

I just bought three 558000 led lcd and one 468000 led lcd, and I have been using the the 55inch for two days now and just got the 46inch up. the 55 worked ok for the first day:) the second day I was downloading wigets to the tv (youtube) of course, everthing was fine till about 20 youtube later ( yes they play one right after another without seting anything) half the screen has alternating lines of good and bad video? I will call samsung monday:) wish me luck

tv
Posted on 18th July, 2009

Good overall review. I am planning on buying one of these now that they could be had for around $2600. The lower end 6000 series is now around $2000 so thye look to be pretty good deals.

sam
Posted on 26th July, 2009

Went to purchase the Kuro and walked out with the Samsung LED 8000. By far a superior TV with a superior picture! There is simply no other TV on the market that compares.

Samsung hdtv 1080p
Posted on 28th July, 2009

I love the set. it’s extremely thin, and I the color is brilliant. I haven’t noticed much flashlighting, triple ball effect, or other problems which effect most standard LCD sets. If you’re relying on factory settings for picture quality, you should seriously go to [...]
Do not use the slim wall mount if you have one. It’s magnetic and causes some problems w/ the set.

I was able to take advantage get a steal of a price on a sale, and had to jump on it. If you have money to burn, it’s a great set. there are some 9 series standard LCD sets from Samsung which are great.

Be aware that there are no true LED sets out there. This is an edge lit set. That means that there are some LED’s along the edges of the screen providing backlight to the lcd screen. The next series, 9000, will feature local dimming LED which are spread in zones throughout the set. Not a true LED, but closer, however .. more than likely.. you’ll pay the price.

If you’re in the market for an edge lit LED-LCD set, and you’re happy w/ 46in, jump in. If not, wait it out a bit until there’s new tech you want badly, or until the prices drop.

Samsung LED Television
Posted on 3rd August, 2009

True, the new Samsungs are not proper LED tvs but edge lit LCD panels. It’s just a big marketing ploy by Samsung that the rest are sure to follow. Its just a run up for OLED that will hit the shelves big time in a few years. LCD tvs in name will be history by then.

Mesh
Posted on 5th August, 2009

if you read the manuals of the LED Tv’s, samsung warns from burns in, if still image is there for more than 2 hours, is this True Guru ?

isnt an LED TV 32″ is suitable as a computer screen ?

Steve
Posted on 5th August, 2009

Waiting until the 9000 series comes out, thinking that the 46 inch 8000 will get cheaper then. Wonder if the BDP 3600 would be a good Blu Ray player to get also. I figure they would mate well. Wonder what inexpensive speakers I should get. Maybe Samsung also? Any ideas?

Samsung LED TV - MacTalk Forums
Posted on 9th August, 2009

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Alex
Posted on 10th August, 2009

LED HELP!!

I purchased the Samsung 7100 (55″) LED-lit LCD about two weeks ago for a little over 3k. I was in the store yesterday and saw a Samsung (55″) LCD (CCFL) on sale for $1899. My question is…will I see that much a of difference in picture quality between an LCD and Edge-lit LED? Do CCFL’s have a longer lifespan than the LED’s? My return window is getting smaller and I’m looking for some guidance. Thank you!!

help desk software
Posted on 11th August, 2009

I love this TV but prices are still coming down like crazy and I am waiting for more offers to come my way before jumping in.

Victor
Posted on 15th August, 2009

Robert Jones, XBR9 has CCFL backlighting. You probably meant XBR8.

Chris Olson
Posted on 16th August, 2009

I just brought one of these home yesterday.

I am very sorry to report that there is *considerable* input lag. I would say, between 70-100ms.

Enabling game mode will reduce this slightly, to what seems to be somewhere between 40 and 70ms, but it is completely unbearable.

Playing my Xbox 360 was very annoying on this monitor. All inputs were noticeably delayed.

So, I decided to test the HDMI output on my laptop in conjunction with the laptop speakers. I connected the laptop to the UN46B8000 via HDMI/DVI port 1 and set the monitor to gaming mode. I then started up a Blu-Ray movie on the laptop.

In this configuration, only the video was being output on the HDMI port, and the audio was playing through the laptop’s speakers. There was a very clearly noticeable delay between the audio and the actual display on the UN46B8000. People would talk and their mouths would seem to always be just a fraction of a second behind their voices. Again, what seemed to be about 70ms on average.

IMO – completely unsuitable for gaming. Definitely an AMAZING screen for home theater, but any input-sensitive applications will definitely suffer from this unfortunate drawback.

Rick
Posted on 19th August, 2009

The Pioneer Elite models are not the best plasma that Pioneer made, the Pioneer krp-500m is the last and best plasma that Pioneer made. Long live the NEW KING!……

Joe
Posted on 22nd August, 2009

The LED LCD set has as much reflection glare from room lights as the plasmas. I saw them both side by side at BB

Bob
Posted on 22nd August, 2009

I’ve had the 55″ 8000 for about 2 months now, it’s simply amazing. 1080i hdtv/cable is truly 3d and blue ray is astounding – this is a class above the rest. At first I’d use custom motion flow for blue ray but now I’m more used to it and enjoy the full and unbelievable (jaw dropping) 3d picture and resolution. It’s hung on my wall like a picture and the brightness is so strong there’s no noticable issue in any respect (view angle, etc.) After many years of 1080p/24, my vote goes to the Samsung 55″ 8000 as the best TV in the world and an order of magnitude better than anything I’ve seen before.

Steve
Posted on 24th August, 2009

Hope I agree with you, Bob. I’m used to my cheap Walmart 29″ Panasonic non-widescreen CRT. The Samsung BDP3600 and UN46B8000 are arriving this week. Wonder if the Blu Ray player will play the pirated DVD’s I bought in China or if I’ll have to continue using the cheap Cyberhome? Or maybe I’ll want to throw them all away. Looking forward to renting the Blu Ray DVD’s from Netflix. I was hooked at a home show by a UN46B7000 showing a documentary that I think was called “Earth.” Rebates and low eBay prices on both player and TV finally got the prices down to my level.

Oscar
Posted on 29th August, 2009

How is possible that brightness messures in this samsung UN46B800 messure lower ft-lamberts than plasma panasonic tc-p54v10 or tcp50g10 in your reviews ? 73 versus 87 and 92 respectively.

ron
Posted on 30th August, 2009

I bought the Samsung 46b8000 and am trying to get the right HDMI cables without being ripped off. Could use some help. Any suggestions?

Mrbill
Posted on 3rd September, 2009

I was ready to buy the set, it was on sale for $2099. But after seeing a few complaints of the tv showing a glow in the black likes when it’s letterboxing, I had to see it myself. I had them play a DVD in the letterbox mode, and sure enough, the horizontal black lines had a “glow” to them. The glow follwed me as I moved left-right. I really love the tv for the picture quality, but priced at 2x other tvs the same size, I expect the picture to be perfect, not just better. Get rid of the glow, or lower the price to the range of other 46″ tvs, and I’ll be buying one

Mac user
Posted on 4th September, 2009

Interesting review, can’t believe why would Samsung lie to the comsumer. I did read that “LCD sets not using LED backlighting” Now I have to do some deep research because my next big buy is a big “LED HDTV”

Betty
Posted on 4th September, 2009

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John B
Posted on 10th September, 2009

HD Guru? Your just a Samsung hater!

Luka
Posted on 19th September, 2009

Great review!
Finally somebody pointed out exact advantages and flaws of edge mounted LED’s. Thanks!
Darker colors looks really great, but light colors really have non-uniform appearance!
Thanks!

Dzuber
Posted on 20th September, 2009

Everyone is forgetting the TRUE reigning king of picture quality- the CRT! I know it’s unpopular and out-moded, but my ws Sony xbr tube has the inkiest blacks that would put these other pos big-box junkers to shame! Yes, it’s heavier than me, but who would steal a 200 lb 34 inch tv? I’m glad Samsung is making new tech popular and cheap, but they are generally junk. Just watch an “old” dvd via s video or component and you’ll see their weakness in the video processing. Guys, processing is as important as the screen itself. It’s like owning a $10k speaker system and running it with a Technics ht receiver. Seriously! And people- don’t look at numbers like 1,000,000,000:1 and 480 hz- they are numbers unregulated and mean hardly anything. Do you really think your “200 watt” pioneer car deck really produces 200 clean watts continuously to 4 speakers? Anywho, go by what you physically see and hear, not what advert review says. Thank you and good luck.

As Seen On TV
Posted on 25th September, 2009

I’ve been wanting one of these for a while! Have you heard anything about the quality of the brand Vizio. They are a ton cheaper but I’m wondering if the quality compares to Samsung.

J
Posted on 25th September, 2009

Just bought the 55in 8000. LED-LCD. Love it picture is totally awesome. And strreaming my movies to it a breeze.

indyanboy
Posted on 26th September, 2009

Hi HDGURU,

I recently purchased SAMSUNG LED 8000 TV. How can I get the sound from my TV through my Bose Lifestyle 28 home theatre system (which takes in RCAs). I don’t find any L & R Audio outputs on my new TV. I didn’t have this problem with my old CRT TV. Any work around ?

Monica
Posted on 2nd October, 2009

Hey As Seen on TV,

Vizio is not even in the same BALL PARK as the Samsung LED. Vizio is about a thousand dollars cheaper for a reason.

mal shepard
Posted on 8th October, 2009

These LED-lit LCDs are pretty nice. However, I have had the chance to have some hands on time with them and several drawbacks became apparent.

First of all, I still saw noticeable amounts of ghosting and motion blur on the 7000 model I used. Not at all clear like on the best plasma and crt sets.

Second, there was significant input lag, even in “game mode”. Moreover, game mode doesn’t allow you to use the normal picture settings so your image quality for games looks very poor. This unfortunately makes these sets not a very good choice for serious gamers.

Off angle image degradation was some of the worst I have ever seen on an LCD. The colors and blacks became washed out and a bluish tint would invade the picture. Be ready to set straight on if you plan to buy this tv.

Absolute black levels were amazingly good for an LCD, but unfortunately there are some downsides. No matter how I set the tv I couldn’t keep it from crushing the blacks to some degree, which of course hurts shadow detail. The other thing is that even though the blacks can get pretty dark the contrast in dark scenes always suffered because the brighter areas of the picture would also lose brightess and punch.

All in all I really liked the Samsung LED, but I ended up choosing the Panasonic G10 plasma because the drawbacks were fewer and the picture it produces is simply amazing. The performance in dark scenes is even better, the colors seem richer, the viewing angles are extremely wide, the motion is smooth and detailed, and there is virtually no input lag.

dsi
Posted on 8th October, 2009

Can be viewed as close as 2 to 3 feet without much if any grain.Viewing angles is as good as any great plasma I have seen during the last year.
Very light and thin. Can practically be taken from room to room.Can be profiled nearly perfectly.

Samsung UN55B8000
Posted on 17th October, 2009

Just picked up the Samsung UN55B8000 and it makes me feel a bit sick to my stomach when watching it. Hopefully I get used to it.

Jack
Posted on 21st October, 2009

Do you know if prices are supposed to fall dramatically on LED TVs this holiday season? I would love to pic one up but they are a lot more expensive then their LCD counterparts.

Ross
Posted on 21st October, 2009

For the ‘I feel sick to my stomach guy’, if you are meaning the 100 or 200 hz mode just turn it off!! If not then please explain what ur problem is as we are not mind readers! I’m looking to get a new big tv for a dedicated cinema room and wondering what to get either a 55″ samsung led 7020/8000 or the 58″ ps58b850 slimline plasma! I am a really heavy gamer and bluray user, any ideas which one would be best for me! Is the lag on the LEDs really bad??
55″ led is around £2100 and 58″ plasma for £1900.

George Harris
Posted on 23rd October, 2009

I’ve had a terrific Toshiba 36″ CRT set for 17 years. Great picture, and not the first problem with it, ever. I’ve been waiting for LCD TVs to come out that surpassed the 36″ CRT set. I finally found one. I originally wanted a Sony 46″ Bravia. After looking at all of the sets on display at Fry’s electronics, I settled on a Samsung 46″ 8000 Series. The picture is much better than even the latest Sony Bravia, and there is no noticable motion blur. Now that we have it in the house, and have used it to watch HD cable shows, regular DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs, I can say that my wife and I are completely satisfied with our choice. 1.2″ thick, only 39.5 lbs, and the best picture I’ve found yet, and it runs cooler than anything I’ve looked at so far. We are completely satisfied with ours, and I can highly recommend it to anyone in the market for a new flat panel TV. As far as the minor faults stated by “experts”, they may be apparent to someone with a lot of test equipment, but for normal viewing, we find no downsides to the picture at all, regardless of the source or the kind of viewing, i.e. sports, movies, HD TV programs, etc. All play perfectly for us, and we are glad that we chose the set we did, and both occasionally remark on how good the picture is.

My suggestion is to carefully watch all of the TVs on display at a large electronic store to see which one produces the best picture for YOU, and buy from a store that will take it back and/or exchange it for you in 30 days if you’re not satisfied with it once in your home. Fry’s Electronics will do that, but we have no reason to exchange the Samsung 8000 Series we bought. We love ours, and look forward to many years of viewing pleasure.
YMMV

Steve
Posted on 23rd October, 2009

I posted back on August 5, hoping at the time that the price of the 8000 would go down. Shortly after, one of the ebay sellers offered free shipping and a rebate offer of about $250. The total price was about $1850. Most of the rebate money (from two sources) has now arrived. I also bought the Samsung BDP3600 Blu Ray player.

I only have a four-year old WalMart bought 29 inch Panasonic CRT to compare it to, but the 8000’s picture is astounding. I’m sure I could adjust it to be much better than the wonderful quality that it already is, but it seems good enough. There is a tremendous selection of controls to change it if I ever want to. The Blu Ray player loads extremely fast and upconverts DVD’s so well that I don’t really need to get Blu Ray discs. Unlike the Cyberhome DVD player, however, the 3600 won’t play most of the crummy pirated DVD’s I bought in China. Also, the sound is not very good. Someday we’ll be flush enough to buy external speakers.

It’s a beautiful set and is not the dust magnet the CRT was. I haven’t seen the need to clean it in the two months I’ve owned it. Maybe any of the new non-LED sets would have amazed me just as much as the 8000. I guess I’ll never know, but my wife and I are certainly very happy with the TV we got.

46 lcd tv
Posted on 26th October, 2009

Love it picture of Samsung UN46B8000 240Hz LCD is totally awesome.

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