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Panasonic TCP50G10 50″ Plasma Review

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With the exception of Laser TV, recent display technology improvements have been more “painstakingly evolutionary” than revolutionary.

While plasma contrast ratio and black level performance improvements have been relatively modest over the past few years, average plasma TV performance significantly exceeds that of LCD, especially in terms of off-axis contrast and off-axis brightness.

That said, the improved picture quality of the 50” TCP50G10, Panasonic’s latest plasma entry, goes well beyond incremental.  In addition to a much improved picture, the TCP50G10 features a more compact form factor, lower power consumption, increased image brightness, accurate colorimetry, better anti-reflectivity and improved signal processing.

Design

Shrinking the top and side bezels to about 1.5” compared from about 3.5” on the 2008 TH46PZ800, produces a more compact set measuring  (48” wide x 30.3” high without stand).

The result?  The shiny, black bezeled, curved bottomed 50” TCP50G10 is only about ¼” taller (on the included stand) and about 1” wider than the 46” TH46PZ800.  The G10 might fit in a space a competitor’s 50” set might not.  The compact form factor required a performance price most potential buyers will gladly pay: the G10’s downward facing, single driver, internal stereo speakers produce adequate, though unexceptional sound quality and are a step down from last year’s two-way speaker system (separate woofer and tweeter).

The new remote control adds hot buttons to access extra functions including Viera Cast (internet widgets and downloads), and Viera link (HDMI-CEC command and control of Panasonic sources such as a Blu-ray player).  A Viera Tool button provides direct access to the “picture mode” function, Network security camera activation (optional), SD card functions and ECO/energy saving menu (auto power off, etc).

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On-screen menus cover picture and audio controls, timer, SD card options, closed captioning and setup.  New for 2009 is a toggle for 3:2 pulldown (conversion of film based 24 frames per second content to the TV’s native 60 Hz display function).

The TCP50G10 includes a fixed (non-swivel) table stand.  The set’s rear panel houses two HDMI inputs, two component video inputs and one combo, S-video/composite video input, all with accompanying L/R audio inputs.  A left side indentation houses an SD card slot (for viewing photos or AVCHD movies made on a camcorder), a composite video input with L/R audio and a 15 pin sub-D PC input that accommodates a variety of computer resolutions.

Features
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The performance and feature packed “Full HD” (1920×1080p resolution) TCP50G10 is the least expensive 2009 Panasonic plasma set to include THX certification.  What does that mean to consumers?  THX originally created audio standards for movie theaters and later for home theater sound systems. In 2008 THX issued a set of home video display standards for its certification.

What are these standards?  The question cannot be fully answered at this time. THX hasn’t released the complete criteria a display needs to meet for certification.  However, it states a display must conform to the Rec. 709 HDTV standard color points.  How closely, though, we don’t yet know.

“Neo PDP,” Panasonic’s name for the 12th generation panel within the G10, represents a remarkable advance in technology—one that furthers plasma’s performance edge over competing technologies.  Utilizing new phosphors and gas mixtures along with 600 Hz sub-fields, “Neo PDP” achieves lower power consumption, far higher light output capabilities and full motion resolution.

The TCP50G1 accepts 1080p/24 signals that may be displayed at 48Hz or 60 Hz.  Like last year’s TH50PZ850 reviewed here, the 48 Hz  rate suffers from image flicker and is deemed unwatchable.  Use the 60 Hz mode.

The five aspect ratios include full, just (progressive stretch), and 4:3.  The set offers a choice of HD content screen size: HD Size 1 produces 2.5% overscan.  HD Size 2 has no overscan.  The advantage of eliminating overscan (HD Size 2) is pure pixel for pixel resolution without “aliasing artifacts,” though on some broadcast channels you may see noise in the extreme top or side edge.  Switching to HD Size 1 pushes the edge noise off screen.  Edge noise is nonexistent with any other HD content, including Blu-ray discs, home video and downloads.

Performance

This is where the G10 really shines.  The TCP50G10 virtually nails the HDTV color standard (in the THX mode) with primary color points within .005 or less in the x and y axis of the Rec. 709 standard.  In simple terms, many reviewers and videophiles feel compliance with the Rec. 709 HDTV color standard (used to master Blu-ray discs) is essential for excellent HDTV performance.  The readings and 709 standard (for red, green and blue in parenthesis) are R= x.642, y.329 (x .64, y.33) G= x.299, y .605 (x .30, y .60) B= x .15, y.056 (x .15, y. 06). (Note the THX certified TH46PZ800 came close but was not as Rec. 709 accurate as the G10)

Another area of vast improvement over previous plasmas is its white level uniformity.  The G10 brightness is far more consistent across the screen than the 2008 TH46PZ800 or Pioneer’s Pro 141FD (or many LCD flat panels).  Ditto for white (color) uniformity.  The Pioneer produces light pink tones in parts of the screen while viewing a full white raster pattern.  The G10, though not perfect, only slightly deviates from pure white, a change that isn’t significant.  You won’t be able to discern differences when viewing content such as a solid blue-sky scene.

Panasonic claims its NeoPDP panel design can output far higher light levels than previous plasma designs, so we put it to the test.

Using a 100 IRE window pattern, we verified Panasonic’s claim.  In the THX mode with the user controls (including contrast) optimized, the TCP50G10 measured a very bright and comfortable 31 ft. lamberts.  To achieve far higher brightness (needed for rooms with high ambient light levels) requires a simply change of the picture mode to Custom or Vivid mode and an increase of the contrast control.

With the contrast control set to 100% and the picture control set to Vivid, the G10 produced a retina searing maximum brightness of 92.2 ft lamberts (using the same window pattern).  This is the highest level we’ve measured on any plasma and is comparable to many LCD models.  Viewing HD content with the contrast control maxed out confirmed the G10 is capable of producing an image so intense, it’s uncomfortably bright.

In the past, LCDs were the only recommended flat panel technology for high ambient light environments, not any more.  This display can provide high image brightness along superb motion resolution, wide viewing angles and excellent color.

Most LCDs panels use fluorescent lamps (called CCFLs) as the light source.  To increase light output, the lamps output must be raised with the TVs backlight control, often resulting in muddy blacks and lower contrast ratios.  Plasmas generates its own light (like a CRT), maintaining deep blacks while raising the light level.  With arrival of the TCP50G10, you can use plasma in brightly lit rooms that previously required an LCD panel.

After resetting the user controls to their optimum position in the THX mode, signal processing evaluations were made using the Silicon Optix standard and high def HQV Benchmark test discs.  The results?  This Panasonic aced the 3:2 pulldown HD test (a first for a Panasonic consumer HDTV) as well as the SD 3:2 test, jaggies 1 test, noise reduction and 1080i deinterlacing tests, besting last year’s model and the Pioneer plasma as well.  Here are the results:

SD Benchmark (@480i via composite video input)

Jaggies Pattern 1- 5 out of 5
Jaggies Pattern 2-5 out of 5
Waving Flag-    5 out of 10
Detail Enhancement- 10 out of 10
Noise Reduction (with NR activated) 10 out of 10
Motion Adaptive NR (with NR activated) 10 out of 10
3:2 Detection: 5 out of 10 (there are technical reasons why a set should take a few frames to lock in and this should not be considered a downgrade.
Film cadence tests passed except of the DV Cam (2-3-3-2) 8-7 anime and 2-2.  These three non-standard frame rates are insignificant when measuring overall signal processing performance.

HD Benchmark

HD Noise Reduction 25 out of 25
Video Resolution Loss Test 20 out of 20
Jaggies Tests 20 out of 20
Film Resolution Loss Test One 25 out of 25
Film resolution Loss Test Two 10 out of 10

The G10 conquered the motion resolution test as well, scoring a perfect 1080 lines (Per Picture Height) using the FPD Motion Resolution test disc, again besting last year’s TH46PZ800 and the Pioneer Pro-141.  Those plasmas measured just fewer than 900 lines (PPH).  By comparison, 120 Hz LCD flat panels typically measure around 600 lines PPH.

Black levels on the G10, Z800 and the Pioneer’s 60” Pro-141 are below my test equipment’s accuracy.  However, the Pioneer’s black is deepest, followed by the new G10 with the Z800 coming in last.  The deeper blacks of the Pioneer come at a cost.  The Pioneer obscures details in some dark scenes where the G10 revealed every nook and cranny using the same dark content.

An example, the interrogation scene in the Blu-ray disc, Quantum of Solace.  At times, the basement’s stone walls details were buried into black when viewing the Pioneer, while the textures were always visible on the Panasonic G10.

A related area of dark detail concerns the anti-reflective (AR) filter.  Pioneer’s monitor produces a purplish cast that tinges both reflections and dark detail, the Panasonic G10’s AR filter provided excellent attenuation of reflections while maintaining color neutrality.  Score another plus for Panasonic.

White points were measured too.  In THX mode the G10 measured 6698K at 30 IRE (x .309, y.329) and 6760K at 80 IRE (x .  308, y .329).  One disappointment, a gray scale adjustment cannot be performed in the THX mode (using the HDTVs service mode) leaving the gray scale performance close, but not exactly conforming to the D6500K standard.

Topping the improvements over last year’s plasma models is reduced energy consumption.  Using the new industry standard IEC test disc, repeating the 10-minute test sequence six times (with the G10 user settings optimized and in the THX mode), the Panasonic consumed only 230 watts in one hour.

This reading is comparable to findings of etailer Crutchfield, although they use different measurement methodology.  You can find Crutchfield’s results at (Link). The 230 watt measurement places it in the range of the energy usage of many CCFL 52” LCD 2009 flat panels (according to Crutchfield’s tests).  The days of electronics salespersons saying plasmas are energy hogs are over.  Potential buyers can be assured the G10 is comparable to many similar size LCD flat panels.

Observing hours of cable and broadcast HD and SD content revealed excellent 709 color in the THX mode. Switching the Panasonic G10 to the wider color gamut “Custom” picture mode produced a distinctly different color appearance and pallet.  It is very similar to the “Pure” picture mode of the Pioneer Pro-141 (post normal user settings adjusted color, contrast, brightness etc.).

Upconversion of SD content on the G10 provides a virtually artifact free, enjoyable experience.  You can’t have the SD source look as sharp as HD, but one does not have to live with the distractions of image artifacts such as combing and jaggies.  The G10 has top quality upconversion.

Don’t be lured by the lower closeout price of the last year’s PZ800, the superior performance of this new model is well worth the added cost.

Conclusion

The Panasonic TCP50G10 will meet the needs of anyone seeking very high HDTV performance along with a compact attractive design. At its new lower retail price of $1799.99, this Panasonic represents a real value as well. The HD Guru commends Panasonic’s engineering improvements and awards the TCP50G10 its highest ♥♥♥♥ rating.

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Comments

Mike Evenson
Posted on 9th April, 2009

Thanks for the review HD Guru. I have been looking at purchasing a Pioneer 9G Kuro while they are still available. But seeing your comments on the overall performance of the Panasonic G series, I am now considering holding off for either one of these, or the V series (with 96 HZ refresh – hopefully will address flicker with 24p soures).

For someone looking for superior black level performance, I would like to ask if you can elaborate with some details on the black levels between the 9G Pioneers and this Panasonic G series. You mentioned the blacks are below your test equipment’s accuracy. Can you comment on what that light output threshold is? How much blacker are the 9G Pioneers? Considering the Panasonics superior performce with shadow detail, would you say this set handles dark scenes better overall?

Thanks for any additional input you can offer!

Bill
Posted on 9th April, 2009

Abter so much hoopla re lower power consumption, ir not mentioned anywhere else

Richard
Posted on 9th April, 2009

This is nitpicking, but this TV consumes 230 Watts not 230 Watts/hour as stated in the review. Watts/hour is meaningless. (Watts = joules/second.)

Not bad for a plasma, though!

Jake
Posted on 9th April, 2009

That is some real nitpicking there Richard. I assume your electric bill comes in kilowatt-hours just like mine does.

Most normal people are going to know what they meant. It consumed 230 Watt-hours during the testing. Which is great considering it’s rated for over 500.

Richard
Posted on 9th April, 2009

Jake: The original wonky wording in the review mentioning Watts/hr has been revised, and probably already had been when you read it.

Your terminology is equally messed up, however. Products are not rated in Watt-hours, they are rated in Watts. The reason our electric bills are in kilowatt-hours is because they charge us not only according to how power hungry our TV is, but how many hours we have watched it.

Three posts on this subject is probably about three too many, however. Perhaps the way is now clear for someone to come along with an actually interesting comment on this review!

uncommon
Posted on 9th April, 2009

how does the set perform in video games? I’ve heard of phosphor lag and some green tinting on fast motion sequences. Any chance on reviewing the gaming aspect of the TV?

Jesse S
Posted on 9th April, 2009

Two questions.

When viewing 24p content, is motion smooth in 60hz mode or is there judder/ghosting?

The previous Panasonics had problems with green phosphor “trails”. Is this fixed? Some say it is caused by not breakin-in the set properly for 50-100 hours with reduced contrasts. Info on this issue is sparse but I saw it on the demo units at a local home theater store (on PZ80, PZ800 and PZ850 models).

Brau
Posted on 10th April, 2009

Thank you sooo much for your in-depth reviews! This site has become my first and foremost learning place, allowing me to separate advertising hype from realities and make great buying decisions. I can’t wait to hang a G10 on my wall.

Johnny
Posted on 10th April, 2009

Please let us know if this set demonstrates phospor trails like the previous generation Panasonics. Thanks.

Green phosphor lag (the slower decay time of the green phosphor compared to the red and blue) has almost but not completely eliminated. I only can see it on some very, very fast pans and it’s size and duration are very small and short 9you should be up close to the screen to note it). For all intents and purposes it has been eliminated for normal viewing. This  is another improvement over the 2008s (and all other prior plasmas) though I should add I have not seen complaints about it in the past.

HD Guru

Bob S
Posted on 10th April, 2009

Can you post your recommended settings?

Go to the photos for the THX settings.

HD Guru

Brad S
Posted on 10th April, 2009

Do you recommend a break in period(low contrast, low brightness ).

coreylewis
Posted on 10th April, 2009

HDGuru,

im a big fan and proud owner of panasonic plasmas and have been waiting to see you pick apart a neoPDP. much thanks. i have the model just below the G10, the S1, and i’d like to know if your test panel exhibited any CRT- like buzzing noise during bright scenes. if i listen close i can hear it on my s1. ditto for the display model @ my job, too. is this a panel defect? should i return my set?

Tzedekh
Posted on 10th April, 2009

What’s with Panasonic? If they knew that a 48-Hz refresh was unwatchable (which was a widely criticized flaw with 2008 models), why did they include it in this series rather than going with 96 Hz (which they did with the European G10 and G15 series)? Why didn’t they enable finer-grained control over grayscale and color balance? And why is this year’s THX implementation worse than last year’s — shouldn’t these things improve from generation to generation?

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SamS
Posted on 10th April, 2009

“The Pioneer obscures details in some dark scenes where the G10 revealed every nook and cranny using the same dark content.”

This statement seems a bit fishy. Could it be that gamma was set incorrectly on one or both of the sets? With ISFccc and the Pioneer, you can get very accurate Gamma. How about some Gamma measurements to back up these comments?

Dan Vines
Posted on 11th April, 2009

I’ve always liked Panasonic products but could this sterling review have anything to do with all the Panasonic Vierra advertising that is at HDGURU.com?

My credibility is my operating capital. If you feel I would trade it for a banner ad, don’t come to my website anymore.

HD Guru

 

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Posted on 11th April, 2009

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michael
Posted on 11th April, 2009

Thanks for the review. I’m now seriously considering this TV. Question – Did you calibrate the TV using the Service Mode at any point? If so, can you post the adjustments?

gm
Posted on 11th April, 2009

I’m also curious about the shadow detail comments. 9G Kuros can get a perfect industry standard gamma, while Panasonic is always known to have their gamma out of whack. Numbers, please.

Noel Nadur
Posted on 12th April, 2009

CNet’s review ((http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50g10/4505-6482_7-33497901.html?tag=centerColumnArea1.1) is far more in depth on many aspects than yours. What do you say about the comments they made that you seemed to have glossed over?

G.Snacks
Posted on 13th April, 2009

Any particular reason why the 50″ Panasonic was compared several times to a 60″ Pioneer? Wouldn’t it have been better to compare 50″ against 50″? I’d be interested in hearing how the new 60″ or more likely 58″ or 65″ Panasonic compares to the 60″ Pioneer panels. Last years Panasonics offerings in these sizes didn’t come close to Pioneers. Have they been able to improve the performance of their larger screens as well?

sabih
Posted on 13th April, 2009

How does this compare to last years 50pz850 model in terms of blacks/ brightness. Seeing as the 50pz850 and 50g10 are almost the same price, with the speakers vastly superior on the 850 model. is it worth going to the 50g10. or perhaps the v10 model might be a better improvement picture/sound wise.

Stringfellow
Posted on 13th April, 2009

Dear HDGURU,

In your opinion (ignoring the price difference), which is the better HDTV, the Pioneer PRO-111FD or the Panasonic TCP50G10?

On a side note…I look forward to your review on the upcoming Panasonic V10-series. If I am not mistaken, I believe it will be have an upgrade/addition of “96hz/Digital Cinema” from the “48hz/THX mode” on the G10-series.

Respectfully,
-Stringfellow

readyeddie
Posted on 13th April, 2009

@stringfellow,

dude, did you read the review? the g10 is just as good if not a bit better than his elite 141.

Stringfellow
Posted on 13th April, 2009

Dear Readyeddie,

I thought the 141FD is a different series? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t the 141FD a monitor, which would make it different from the 111FD?

I was under the impression that for 2008 Pioneer released 3 different series:

Pioneer Kuro PDP-20FD series (PDP-5020FD).
Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-1FD series (PRO-111FD).
Pioneer Elite Kuro Signature Series Monitor PRO-1FD series (PRO-141FD).

I would appreciate it if someone could clarify and let me know if the 141FD is identical in video-specification to the 111FD. Also, if the 111FD is better or same as the G10 series.

Respectfully,
-Stringfellow

Blah
Posted on 13th April, 2009

As we all know the Pioneer line up from 08 and until it closed down,
are all using the same G11 panel as 08 Panasonic plasmas.
The major difference other then the electronics is the special layer
that Pioneer apply to the screen to make it darker.
Panasonic released this info after Pioneer made the announcement they will withdraw plasma business.
And Panasnoic also said they won’t be using this technology on their plasma for many reasons.
Yes, G10 has a better glass then Pioneer, but it does not meant it does better picture.

MPerlo9
Posted on 14th April, 2009

Stringfellow-

You are 100% right. I can’t imagine the G10 bests the PRO-111FD; I’ve heard that it comes close but still is a step down.

MP

Kamatz
Posted on 14th April, 2009

In the “Panasonic 2009 prices leaked Part II” you mentioned 3 new series as being: Z1, V10 and G15. Now you’re talking about this G10. Is there a mistake and G15 is actually G10 or they are 2 different series and G15 is still to come?

Thanks,

Kamatz.

pharmarep
Posted on 14th April, 2009

Can this plasma TCP50G10 remove the horizontal bars when watching a Blu-Ray movie? I currently have a five year old Pioneer Elite PRO-910 and a brand new Panasonic Blu-Ray DMP-BD35 player. I have tried changing the aspect ratio on both devices to eliminate the top and bottom horizontal bars while watching a regular dvd movie or Blu-Ray movie. I have talked with Pioneer and Panasonic and they both said there isn’t a way to eliminate the top/bottom horizontal bars with a Blu-Ray movie. I want to watch a full screen HD movie!

Best Customer
Posted on 14th April, 2009

@ Kamatz —

Yes… Panasonic will have a g15 later this year…

pharmarep
Posted on 15th April, 2009

I’m only interested in the TCP50G10 not the g15. Does this Plasma remove the horizontal bars as I mentioned two posting above?

the dude
Posted on 15th April, 2009

Thanks Richard and Jake, nothing gets my blood pumping like discussions on engineering units! I suppose listing reams of quantified technical specs is useless without the proper units…

readyeddie
Posted on 15th April, 2009

@ pharmarep,

dude, only like 99% percent of tvs for the past 2 years have some sort of zoom or crop function to hide black bars. if you want to check for yourself, just go to the tv manufacturer’s website and look under the specs tab. look for zoom or crop in the aspect modes or controls.

Jesse S
Posted on 15th April, 2009

Or look for “how to butcher a movie” mode.

People like this are why we had pan and scan crap for so long.

Dave
Posted on 16th April, 2009

The CNET review mentioned two things that have prevented me from running to the store and buying a G10; low light output in THX mode, and limited picture controls. I am a stickler for having control over pic settings. What is the likelihood Panny will do a firmware upgrade that will give us more control? And someone mentioned that a service tech can boost the light output in THX mode. Can you comment on either of these.

abbie
Posted on 19th April, 2009

I was on the verge of buying the 850 in the 58″ size. Should I wait for the 58 G10??? Thanks!

matt
Posted on 19th April, 2009

You mentioned upconversion of sd. How does this work and does the g10 automatically upconvert when watching sd, or is it a setting that must be changed. I’m a little confused…can you please explain? Thanks

Mike Techno
Posted on 20th April, 2009

If you think this TV is impressive, just wait until you see the new Z Series that Panasonic is going to be releasing in the August to September time frame. When people see what this new model can do and how beautifully designed it is, they are going to absolutely lose their minds. Now it won’t be cheap at well into the $5,000 price range, but it will absolutely set the standard by which all other HDTV’s are judged. Early reviews from sneak previews at various trade shows around the world are saying that the Panasonic Z Series of plasmas will be entirely in a class by itself. Keep your eyes open for this and prepare to be throughly impressed. From what I have seen already, I can assure you that you will be quite impressed.

FerrariBoy
Posted on 20th April, 2009

which one of the models do you prefer
Pioneer KRP-500A or Panasonic TC-P50V10

Tony
Posted on 21st April, 2009

You did not mention a glaring difference when comparing the Panny Vs the Pioneer. The Panny G10 has 2 sheets of glass on the front which leads to shadows when viewing from a side angle. The Pio made with 1 sheet of glass does not suffer this. The panny also suffers from phosphor trails when gaming and G10 owners have said that viewing SD nmaterial is very dissapointing. I’m not saying the G10 is not a good set or indeed better than previous panny’s but to put it on a par with a Pio Kuro is missleading imo.

Jeffs386
Posted on 21st April, 2009

The G10 does not have glare when viewing from the side(I own one)
The Pioneer also has phosphor trails as does every plasma(most people can’t even see them just like some people see rainbows on DLP sets)…..SD viewing is average not disappointing just nothing like the spectacular HD viewing,it is however much better than my LCD was
The G10 also does not have the dirty screen effect or buzzing issues that the Pioneer’s have and also can do 1080 lines of motion resolution compared to about 800-900 on the Pioneer

moses
Posted on 21st April, 2009

in regards to the posting by blah citing reports released by panasonic, concerning the use of panasonic glass in pioneer sets from the 2008 model year on, can you provide me with the link to these reports. i would love to peruse them. to my knowledge, the deal for pioneer to purchase oem plasma ‘mother-glass’ from panasonic was set to go into effect this year for subsequent, but UNRELEASED pioneer plasma displays. i would however like to express gratitude and appreciation to mr. merson for this venue, and the wonderful utility it provides.

Conflicted
Posted on 21st April, 2009

I am deciding between purchasing the Panasonic TCP50G10 and nabbing one of the few remaining Pioneer PDP-5020FDs. The consensus is that for a small price difference, the Pioneer is the way to go. Since I am purchasing through my local hometown tv guy because of the excellent service he provides, the price delta between the Panasonic and Pioneer is more like $900 for me (vs $200 other places). I keep getting drawn to the Pioneer picture, but I’m desperately trying to talk myself into the Panasonic for less $. I saw one review at BestBuy where the guy actually said the Panasonic did a better job with SD for those times when HD is not an option (I think we will still have some channels through satellite that we will be watching SD). Should I continue to talk myself into the Panasonic or just bite the bullet and buy the Pioneer? (I’ve decided not to abandon my local dealer to get the Pioneer for the lower price, so that is not an option). Love to hear from people that have experienced both in a direct comparison.

gusbanks
Posted on 22nd April, 2009

I bought a pioneer 50 inch plasma (PDP-5070HD) three years ago and have considered it to be the best picture I have ever seen. Panny’s are a fine TV as well, but my advise would be to do the Pioneer, you won’t be disappointed.

Brian
Posted on 23rd April, 2009

Thanks for the review, HD Guru! I ordered my 50in G10 yesterday, my first HDTV. Your observations that Panasonic adequately addressed the usual Plasma ‘drawbacks’, plus the great online prices these days, made it easy to choose. I cant wait to see how good it looks. Just ordered my PS3 too so that should help put the G10 through its paces ;)

Jeff
Posted on 24th April, 2009

Thanks for the review! Lots of great details.

One thing though. Most consumers don’t/won’t professionally calibrate their TVs (rightfully or wrongfully)
From what I understand, you seem to calibrate the TV other than using the regular picture settings. Which means that the good results you’re getting won’t apply to most consumers that don’t want to spend 300$ (or whatever it costs) to calibrate it by a professional.

CNet does not professionally calibrate their TVs for their reviews. They simply use the regular settings that most of us will use. Which gives the review, in my opinion, a slightly more realistic view of how it’ll perform in my house.

Now don’t get me wrong, I love your reviews and I think they are extremely professional and detailed, but it would be really nice to read your thoughts on the performance of the TV without professional calibration.

Thanks again for the review! I helped me convince someone to get one :)

Dan
Posted on 30th April, 2009

About Pioneer, I have read a recent article stating that Pioneer will still make the Plasma TV but they were looking for a cheaper way to manufacture the screen. Panasonic was chosen to manufacture the screen for Pioneer using their technology along with Panasonic’s technology combined. Pioneer will still manufacture the electronics in their monitors. Is this article true or a lot of BS?

Roger
Posted on 6th May, 2009

Hi there,

Thanks for this complete review.

Some owners have recently reported many problems with images fluidity due to the 24p playback instead of the 24p Cinema (TH-46PZ86FV for example). Have you noticed it ?

Stephane Cnockaert
Posted on 6th May, 2009

hello HDguru,

to my eyes all 2008 plasma screens where exhibiting a very annoying flickering effect when displaying large bright areas like a white sky, snow, or white banners like the ones used during TV news and shows. I must confess not everybody is sensitive to that, it depends on your personal retina persistence.

Will somebody agree on this here, and testimony that this is has now been eradicted in the newest 600 Hz Panasonic plasma screens ?

kishmy
Posted on 8th May, 2009

I won a 50″ plasma from panisonic (TH-50pz850) but they are upgrading me to the TC-P50G10 is this plasma better and if so how come on the panisonic web page the pz850 is $3299 and the G10 is less money at about $2600. I know you can find them both for less money in stores, but I was just wondering why the newer TV which I am guessing is better is less money. Should I take the G10 or tell them to send me the oringal one I won, I don’t care that much about features I am more interested in picture quality. ps this will be my first plasma

Satan Fuel
Posted on 10th May, 2009

I would definitely take the upgrade

andrew
Posted on 11th May, 2009

I really want to know how does this tv handle gaming, please.

heynow
Posted on 11th May, 2009

for those who have the G10 ,
is there much glare in the screen ?
i know the review said its not bad.

also if i have noisy DVD’s is there good noise reduction controls to cut noise?
thanks

rick
Posted on 12th May, 2009

Andrew- this plasma is rated for computer use has 600hz refresh and anti image retention settings… In other words, this set handles gaming better than any other plasma I’ve seen.

Heynow- 1) glare is there but it is minimal… I’ve seen worse, but I’ve seen better too. Basically, if you have a lot of light coming in or a window facing your tv, I think you should stay clear of plasma in general. 2) For extremely noisy DVD’s- I set video nr to strong, mosquito nr to yes, and block nr to yes, and it cleaned them up tremendously.

rick
Posted on 12th May, 2009

HDGURU-

1) Do you recommend turning on all noise reduction settings for HD content, or just analog & SD?

2) Are your suggest settings in the pictures specific to SD broadcasts?

3) Is there any purpose to enabling 3:2 pulldown for television or gaming, or is that exclusively for watching movies?

Thanks!

thinman
Posted on 13th May, 2009

The only thing holding me back from buying the 54″ G10 right now is the lack of 7.1 surround optical out.

Jeff
Posted on 15th May, 2009

@thinman: I don’t understand why this would hold you back.

Steve P.
Posted on 17th May, 2009

HELP!
I am buying my first HDTV and this looks like the one. I am looking for a 46-50″ plasma that will blow my socks off for +/-$1500…..

Is this the one or should I wait for the Z1 line or the V10(?) from Panasonic in June/Aug?

I am looking to buy in the next 30 days, unless I should wait for some reason…

In comparison to the price I am looking to pay vs he G10, are there better sets out there for the $$ considering this sets quality?

Jeff
Posted on 17th May, 2009

@Steve P.: If you can afford the V10, then wait for it. You’ll get a 2″ deep TV (not sure it matters though) that finally supports 24p. Plus you’ll get the one sheet of glass design which looks really nice.
In my opinion there are no better sets for that kind of money.

Steve P.
Posted on 17th May, 2009

Thanks for the reply Jeff. Any idea how much the 42-50″ V10 are going to cost and when are they expected to be on the market?

Jeff
Posted on 18th May, 2009

You can go to http://www.panasonic.com and see for yourself. The V10 50″ is tagged at 2199$ and should be available in June.
I’m waiting for the 54″ :)
If the V10 is over you budget, don’t worry, the G10 is more than good enough. I’m not even sure the 24p feature is worth the extra $$. I think it targets videophiles. So if price is a major factor then go with the G10 and you won’t regret it I promise.

Sammy
Posted on 20th May, 2009

Question: if THX hasn’t released the criteria a display must meet in order to be THX certified, then how do engineers design a display to be certified? The “engineering process is the design of something to a set of requirements. If you don’t know the requirements, you have some difficulty in the design.

Jeff
Posted on 21st May, 2009

@Sammy: Here’s piece of a press release from THX about Panasonic

“THX works closely with display manufacturers from early design concepts to product rollout. Displays are sent to THX laboratories from the prototype stage, where they run through a series of THX performance tests, including front-of-screen testing and video signal processing analysis. These tests ensure that each display can present all HD and standard definition content to the maximum resolution with correct color and luminance levels.”

John
Posted on 26th May, 2009

Thanks for the excellent review. How does the Panasonic G series and V series compare to the new Samsung plasmas that also have many of the same features, lower energy consumption, brighter panel, AR screen, etc.? Also, I know many people use external audio equipment for serious movie watching but for most TV viewing, the quality of the unit’s audio is also important. It would be great if you could include audio quality in the reviews. Thanks again.

Don
Posted on 1st June, 2009

If you are looking for a 2″ cabinet, but don’t need the other features of the V series…..Check out the G15. It is exactly the same as the G10, except it has a 2″ cabinet. Retails for about $100 higher. This is a regional model, so you will see it at HHGregg, and other non-national accounts!

Themobb
Posted on 2nd June, 2009

Thanks for the great review.

I just found your site today after I had ordered the Pany from Crutchfield. Just trying to avoid “Buyers remorse”, I guess…

Most of my viewing is Diretv HD and a PS3 for Bluray.

Anyway, it looks like a good decision, and I can’t wait until it’s delivered!

The REAL Joe Blow
Posted on 3rd June, 2009

@thinman,

You’ll be waiting a *loooooong* time. 7.1 over either optical or coaxial SPDIF is technically impossible, the design of the standard never allowed for it. You can get 5.1 AC3, 5.1 DTS or 2.0 PCM, that’s it, there will never be 7.1 over SPDIF by any manufacturer.

See the technical discussion by Valex for more detail at:

http://ac3filter.net/guides/ac3filter_spdif

Cheers,
The REAL Joe

Robert Gallo
Posted on 5th June, 2009

I find it interesting when people compare the Pioneer Kuro’s to the Panasonics and claim the Pioneers to be superior. Pioneer does not make either their Kuro Plasmas nor their Kuro Projectors. In fact, the plasmas are produced for Pioneer by Panasonic and the projectors are produced by JVC. So the real question is, do you want to pay nearly twice the price for the same product?

The REAL Joe Blow
Posted on 5th June, 2009

@Robert Gallo,

The SCREEN ITSELF only is produced by Panasonic. All of the other electronics, controls, processors and processing algorithms, etc. are designed by Pioneer and are unique to their products. The two are vastly different finished displays, with very different picture characteristics.

Your flawed logic would be similar to saying “Why would you want to buy a Cadillac for X-times as much as a Dodge Neon, when they both use Michelin tires”? Doesn’t make much sense, does it?

Sam
Posted on 5th June, 2009

@REAL Joe Blow

Actually the Kuro display panels were produced in-house by Pioneer.

Pioneer was going to use Panasonic panels for the 10G Kuros to cut cost but then Panasonic demanded Pioneer give up their “trade secrets” regarding their image processing. Pioneer said no, Panasonic said “Okay you’re not getting our panels then!” Pioneer then decided to just exit the market entirely.

matt
Posted on 6th June, 2009

I purchased this TV about a month ago, and I must say I’m not as impressed as I thought I would be. I anguished for months trying to select the right TV (plasma vs lcd, etc.). My main concern was motion blur and response time, especially watching sports. This TV definitely has phosphor trails…and lots of it. Watching a bright color move around the screen is like watching a shooting star. Horrible. Plenty of phosphor trails lagging behind the movement.

With that said, I have not had my TV professionally calibrated, but I did adjust the picture controls for a break in period, and now I have them set on the settings recommended above. However, as of now, I can’t say I would recommend this television.

Sam
Posted on 6th June, 2009

@Matt

I have the TC-P50V10 (higher-end version) and I see no phosphor trails.

Bamba1
Posted on 6th June, 2009

For those of you still debating the Pio vs Pan,etc,Invest in the Pioneer KURO,you will not be disapointed, the KURO’S are and will remain the standard by which all other tvs regardless of technology will be compared long after the the sun sets on the KURO’s. LCD’S continue to be plagued by motion blurr, off axis viewing and poor blacks. LED’s produce acceptable blacks but still suffer from moition blurs and off axis viewing limited to 15 to 20 degs.

Andrew
Posted on 7th June, 2009

I have a choice of either purchacing a 46-G10 or a 46-G15 for the same price. I have been trying to reserch the G15 and am finding little info on this set. It also seems that only limited retailers are carring the G15, is there a reason for this? Given the choice which TV would you recommend? Thanks for your help.

The REAL Joe Blow
Posted on 8th June, 2009

@Andrew:

Here’s an e-Zine that lists the differences between the G10 and G15:

Coming in 2 sizes (the 42-inch Panasonic TXP42G15 and the 46-inch TXP46G15), the Panasonic G15 series is the next step up in Viera’s plasma hierarchy. The Panasonic G15s offer the following advantages over the G10s:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp42g10b-txp42g15b-20090307138.htm

* Slim chassis design (2-inch);
* Viera Cast which lets viewers access certain Internet content on the Panasonic Viera HDTV;
* An extra HDMI input (four on G15 vs three on G10);
* DLNA media streaming capabilities, allowing you to view photos, listen to music, and even playback DiVX videos from compatible networked devices; and
* V-Audio Surround Pro (vs V-Audio Surround on G10).

At the same price, the G15 is a marginally better set, but you may not actually have any real-world personal use for the extra features.

Cheers,
The REAL Joe

Andrew
Posted on 8th June, 2009

Real Joe,

I have read this artical, unfortunatly it’s from the UK, I’m in Canada and I don’t belive the same specs apply. For instance it would seem that DLNA and DiVX are only avalible in the UK. Can anyone confirm this?

Cheers,

tampasag
Posted on 11th June, 2009

the v series plasma are now available at online retailers. 50 inch for 1900, 54 inch 2500

Panasonic TC-P54G10 54" 1080P Plasma Television Viera $1699.99 + FS @ BestBuy.com : CheapJoint.Com
Posted on 15th June, 2009

[...] This line of plasmas has gotten fantastic reviews. Here’s one from HDGuru on the 50″ model.http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tcp50g10-50-plasma-review/416/ [...]

Panasonic TC-P54G10 54" 1080P Plasma Television Viera $1699.99 + FS @ BestBuy.com | dealsmany.com
Posted on 15th June, 2009

[...] This line of plasmas has gotten fantastic reviews. Here’s one from HDGuru on the 50″ model.http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tcp50g10-50-plasma-review/416/ [...]

Panasonic G10 Owners Thread - Part 2 - Page 23 - AVForums.com
Posted on 24th June, 2009

[...] The TCP50G10 accepts 1080p/24 signals that may be displayed at 48Hz or 60 Hz. Like last years TH50PZ850 reviewed here, the 48 Hz rate suffers from image flicker and is deemed unwatchable. Use the 60 Hz mode. Panasonic TCP50G10 50″ Plasma Review HDGURU.Com So i’m confused now and don’t know what to believe. [...]

Dan
Posted on 1st July, 2009

I am with Andrew and want to know how the 09 generation HDTVs (G10 in particular) handle gaming. I play Halo 3 a lot and the only HDTV I own (Vizio, won in a raffle) has good picture, but is terrible for Halo due to the input lag, I still play on a CRT for this reason. Now I am getting ready to buy my first HDTV, and I need to be sure the input lag is not a factor for high pace games like Halo. Please tell me I am worrying about something that no longer exists in this era of HDTVs.

Todd
Posted on 2nd July, 2009

My new G10 came the other day; so far its a nice improvement over my 4 year old TH-50PX50U.. That one had served us well for many years but I was able to sell it on craigslist for $525 and put the cash towards the G10..

Now one question about the G10, what is up with optical audio out being PCM only? I’ve hooked up my Tivo S3, XBox 360 and PS3 to the TV via HDMI (all of them put out dolby digital) but the TV down converts them to PCM? I guess i’ll just have to run optical audio from all devices to keep the dolby digital..

-t

Chris
Posted on 5th July, 2009

I own this tv. I put in the settings the guru posted pics of and the tv looks great. I am curious about one thing. I have never been able to get the tv out of 60hz. Did it look so bad that Panasonic took away the 48hz feature?

ALFREDO SALVO
Posted on 5th July, 2009

hey Guru, Im confused which will be a right choice to see in HD, Sports and Movies! and my budget is 1800$ tops. but online is a lot of information about HDTV that really confuse people. anyway my question is: IS THIS THE BEST OPTION on the market right now?? for 50″ or 54″ HDTV over plasma ???

Please I Need a Answer!

PS: Nice web site by the way!

kramer
Posted on 7th July, 2009

Thanks for the great review HDGuru.

This is slightly off topic but has anybody been to Panasonic’s HDTV page? It’s very poorly laid out in my opinion, I can’t even easily tell which catagories have the best and worst TVs.

And I’m currently deciding between an Elite Kuro and the Panasonic. I don’t want to spend too much money so I’m leaning towards the Panasonic…

Eric
Posted on 17th July, 2009

Hi all, just wanteing to add to topic here. After waiting and watching for 3.5 years, going into this year firmly thinking LCD, then I came across the panasonic 2009 G10 models, it more than than shifted me to the plasma due to the superior picture and all the “old issues” that have gone away, as well as the price. No buzzing, low power, very hard scratch resistent screen, doesn’t get sig hotter than an lcd screen, etc.

After all the research and waiting, we just got the G10 54″, and are, well, blown away. We have a new pioneer blue-ray player as well. BD-Jaw dropping. The 24p playback on this TV is fantastic, smooth. Don’t notice any greenish tint. Would 96hz be even smoother, maybe, but while I’m looking for a very high quality HD, I don’t consider myself a videophile. Plus, I’ve heard the 2p cinematic playback adds frames and may not be what it’s cracked up to be. And to me, not worth the extra ~$800 to step into a V10 with a glass screen. But I’ll leave that to the experts here.

Just wanted to say, we love this TV, no green tint, SD upconvert is automatic, and looks fantastic, true HD content is simply stunning. Just watched Quantum of Solice, we sat there with our mouths open.

Now I’m just looking for any finer tweaks in this and other groups to see if we can make a stunning pic, even better.

Eric
Posted on 17th July, 2009

@ Matt:

I have seen NO phosphorus trails on this TV. And the motion, no issues at all. May want to check your TV settings.

Chris
Posted on 25th July, 2009

I am going to answer my own question. the 48hz is there. I had to change my Blu Ray player settings to see it.

I was seeing yellow flashes like crazy on this tv. I felt pretty bad about it. I was mostly watching Pixar at first and did not see it. when I watched Gran Torino they were everywhere.

It turns out that I had not set my Blu Ray player to output 24p. I ha it hooked up to a tube 1080i previously. The flashes are 99% better now. I am going to re rent Gran Torino and a few other movies I have watched recently and see if they look better.

Right now I am basing the improvement on the opening credits to Mad Men. The flashes are gone from that sample.

The New King of HDTVs: Panasonic’s TC-P54V10 Reviewed » HDGURU.Com
Posted on 28th July, 2009

[...] With the G10 setting new plasma standards in energy consumption, out of the box color accuracy, white level uniformity and image brightness, the expectation was for similar performance with the equally spec’d TC-P54V10.  This was confirmed in our video processing trials with the V10 also acing the standard definition HQV Benchmark tests and the HD Benchmark’s Noise Reduction, Video Resolution and 3:2 tests. (See the G10 review for more details Here) [...]

Eric
Posted on 7th August, 2009

G10 or G15? Are they exactly the same except for the thickness of the TV?

Marlin
Posted on 13th August, 2009

You wrote”
“The TCP50G10 accepts 1080p/24 signals that may be displayed at 48Hz or 60 Hz. Like last year’s TH50PZ850 reviewed here, the 48 Hz rate suffers from image flicker and is deemed unwatchable. Use the 60 Hz mode.”

Does the 60 Hz mode in any way adversly affect the viewed picture?
Thanks, Marlin

pazu
Posted on 18th August, 2009

Hi. I wanted to thank you for a great review. I ordered this TV today (European model) and i cant wait to have it delivered! Keep up the good and clean site!

Elsid
Posted on 1st September, 2009

I own the Panasonic TCP46G15 and the picture is phenominal with HDTV, BluRay – you name it. The problem is the audio – Bad, Bad, Bad. My first TV distorted so much that even the installers were surprised. Turned the bass down to “1″, turned off the enhanced bass, all surround modes – still does the same thing. Lots of distortion in the bass range above 250 – 400Hz. This includes low vocals, so the voices were distorting. The installer guys had me switch HDI cables – no impact when I switched. I just couldn’t figure out if it was the cheap speakers (Weren’t they downgraded from woofer/tweeter ones on the G10 to a singular all-in-one?) or the cheap amplifiers? Maybe they’re cranking these out too fast? My second is better; still has the same problem but to a lesser degree. I’ll be calling to arrange delivery & installation of my 3rd TV today! All of this goes beyond aggravating. To sum up – Picture is excellent, sound sucks.

x_acto
Posted on 5th September, 2009

HD Guru,

would you include in your reviews -something no other review mentions- if the Plasma set has any cooling fans and if so, how many ?

Similarly, since such fans can be very noisy, could you include on your tests, to make the set run at its upper temperature limits -so the cooling fans have to run at their maximum rpm- and provide -with the review- noise measurements and details about the detectability (or annoyance) of the noise produce by the cooling fans?

Thanks.

x_acto
Posted on 5th September, 2009

HD Guru,

along with all the good information on your web site, would you consider adding a table or list of Plasma TVs (and others) and their respective fields for presence of cooling fans, how many, location -within the cabinet-, and minimum and maximum noise they produce when the set is minimally warm or at its hi-temp limit?

Thanks.

Dave
Posted on 9th September, 2009

Is there a site to show the settings to achieve THX brightened, without losing the great colors?
Thx, Dave

Steve P.
Posted on 11th September, 2009

Have had my 50G10 for over 4-5 months now and it is awesome. My friends LG plasma has already had issues and does not even come close to mine. Everyone asks where I got it, they want one, how much I paid ect. Great TV. At the time Worst Buy(BB) had theirs for 1700+tax and a 30+day backlog.

A friend said to try Amazon.com and they had 3-4 new ones for 1400 no tax and free shipping…it was a no brainer IMO. Got the TV 7 days later and the rest is beautiful HD history….P3 games and BD are awesome…even SD looks good enough to not be annoying like alot of LCDs I see.

Thanks HD Guru….keep up the good work!

please help me fix my tv
Posted on 14th September, 2009

I just bought an open-box panasonic TC-P50G10 today, and so far its not bad. I would enjoy it more if i could figure out how to get rid of this thing that pops up at least every 5 min!…
it says:

on the top center “Moving Picutre Resolution”
on top left “(1080* Lines)”
on top right “(conventional)”
on bottom left “*based on APDC measurement method”

and there is a black line down the middle.

i think its the demo? but im not sure how to get rid of it. It also resets my settings. please someone help i can’t find any info about it.

scattershot
Posted on 17th September, 2009

Hey “please help me fix my tv” sounds like you are in demo (store display) mode.

Unplug the TV, count to 10, plug it back in and select “home use” on the opening screen.

Enjoy your new Panny Plasma you lucky bum :)

Mark Rod
Posted on 2nd November, 2009

Paralysis by analysis.

Excellent dialogue and questions at this joint.
I believe it’s helped me to make m decision to go with the Pan. 46″ G10 or G15. (I can get the at the same price.)

The G15 is a little slimmer and IMO is nicer looking with a slimmer smaller silver strip along the bottom.

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Posted on 6th November, 2009

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