The high definition disc format war has turned into a battle royale with the recent announcements of the exclusive support of the HD DVD format by Paramount and Dreamworks animation. Depending how you want to do the studio count (inclusion of only major studios, “adult†studios and the minor or independent releases), the split is now roughly about 50-50 between the two formats. In other words, if you want to get into the high def disc game today, you have to choose a single format player and neglect about half the releases, buy a HD DVD player and a Blu-ray player (with the associated two HDMI cables and double the real estate on your shelves) or settle for the current “limited†function combo player from LG. This will no longer be the case! The HD Guru has just received the first pre-production sample the Samsung BD-UP5000 and it may be the answer to the format war. Samsung has loaded performance and functionality into a light compact attractive package.
The BD-UP5000’s feature list is impressive. It has (for either format) Ethernet connector for firmware updates and interactive content, BD-Java (BD-J) for Blu-ray and HDi for HD DVD. The HDMI 1.3 connection will support the lossless formats TrueHD and DTS-MA (through a firmware upgrade that will occur before or shortly after product launch), 1.3 Deep Color (though no discs use it yet) and HDMI-CEC for command and control over HDMI (if your HDTV is so equipped). The 5000 has output selections when using HD or Standard definition discs that include 720p/1080i/1080p. 1080p can be selected as 24Hz or 60 Hz. In addition, the BD-UP5000 comes equipped with the Silicon Optix’s Reon scaler chip (it is the same one used in the Samsung BD-1200 and their upcoming BD-2400 as well as the Toshiba (HD DVD) HD-XA2). This chip provides the best upconversion of standard definition content to HD I have evaluated.
As pictured above the BDP-5000 ($999 retail) has a glossy black finish with a soft-lit display. It measures a mere 16.9†x 3.1†x 12.8†and weighs in at 13.2 pounds. The rear panel contains optical and coaxial audio outputs as well as the HDMI connection, 7.1 analog audio connections with conversion for all the Dolby digital formats and DTS including DTS-MA. It also has component video and standard def S-Video and composite video outputs.
With a limited time with the player, I ran through as many video tests and functions as I could, concentrating on its Blu-ray and HD DVD functionality. Timing the boot-up from off to the point where the player comes to life with the Samsung screen that reads HD DVD and Blu-ray on a blue background (see photo above) takes a respectable 35 seconds. Once the disc is loaded either HD format will produce the first image in about 25 seconds. Standard Def DVD first view was quicker at about 15 seconds.
The Digital Video Essentials HD DVD confirmed full bandwidth output at 1080p (60) reproducing the single pixel on/off vertical and horizontal lines on the 1080p 50†(TH-59PZ750) Panasonic plasma used for this evaluation. The Blu-ray version of the Silicon Optix HQV test disc confirmed perfect deinterlacing of 1080i content (found in music videos) as well as perfect 3:2 cadence for film based sources, producing an artifact free image. This is important, as the vast majority of 2007 HDTVs tested (74 to date) still do not properly convert 24 fps content to 60 fps. Using the Samsung BD-UP5000 at 1080p/60 output connected to a display 1080p display that accepts this signal should eliminate this issue by bypassing the displays inferior internal scaler.
Color bars were accurately reproduced with proper saturation. There are no player picture controls (color, tint, contrast etc.) but considering the accuracy of its output, I do not feel they are necessary.
I sampled a variety of HD DVD and Blu-ray discs including 300 (HD DVD), Casino Royale (BD) Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift (HD DVD), Wild Hogs (Blu-ray) and, The Fifth Element (TFE) Blu-ray It is the new remastered edition. The BD-UP5000 revealed there are still specks of dirt in certain scences in the new print used for the Blu-ray transfer of TFE, though it is much cleaner than the dirt and scratch infested first edition. (Perhaps Sony Pictures should use the same 1080p plasma and Samsung player combo I used for its quality control monitoring, whatever the Sony Studio is using now does not appear to be up to the task).
All discs viewed all looked spectacular, with every image appearing clean, crisp and sharp as a tack. Anyone who claims unconverted DVDs look just as good as HD DVD and Blu-ray needs to get over to their nearest eyewear center right away. It is more than resolution that makes these formats so appealing, it is the image free of visible compression artifacts that provides a film-like look when viewing a top quality HDTV and using a high definition disc in a player as good as the BD-UP5000.
The functionality in the BD-UP5000 is an improvement over previous generation products with faster chapter changes and quicker entry into other menu functions. I particularly liked the new time bar on the top of the image (seen in the bottom photo). The new GUI is clean and easy to read. The only crude graphic is a series of “ disc loading†dots, though they are an improvement over the Samsung first generation hour glass.
I briefly checked the standard DVD performance. The player aced the Silicon Optix HQV’s test discs jaggies, 3:2 (and other cadence) pulldown tests and noise reduction tests, but some pre-production glitches prevented me from performing a complete evaluation
The BD-UP5000 interactive capabilities were confirmed with the HD DVD version of 300. By connecting my router via the Ethernet port in the back the player I was able to download exclusive web enabled features off the internet with the 300 HD DVD disc inserted. The only HD DVD feature the BD-UP5000 seems to lack is a USB port to expand the player’s memory with a thumb drive. According to a Samsung spokesperson the BD-UP5000 has 256MB internal memory.
The BD-UP5000 currently retails for $999. I consider the price/performance ratio a home run, as the cost is just a $100 higher (at retail) than purchasing the current BD-1200 Samsung Reon equipped Blu-ray and the lowest cost HD DVD player, the Toshiba HD-A3. Of course you get more Blu-ray features, a better GUI and soon all the audio formats plus 7.1 analog output. The BD-UP5000 will be available in the 4th Qtr, according to a Samsung spokesperson. Lets hope it’s is closer to October than December.
With the format war continuing with no end in sight, the Samsung BD-UP5000 it is the logical choice for HDTV viewers that want the best performance no matter which DVD, Blu-ray or HD DVD discs they choose to view. The BD-UP5000 is my new reference standard for a high definition player and it is awarded the HD Guru’s™ top rating of ♥♥♥♥.
Update-1080p/24 output has been confirmed. It works beautifully. The player puts up a confirmation screen that must be acknowledged with an “accept”, if not the player will automatically revert back to the 1080p/60 setting to avoid a blank screen with displays that will accept 1080p/60 but not 1080p/24
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New firmware update was posted Friday, not sure what it fixes. Blu-ray specification is not as tight as the one for HD, so I’m told that is why we have the problems with those disc. New units still on sale with refurb units under $400.
Just for informational purposes, to anyone reading this;
If you want to play HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, and standard DVDs, the BD-UP5000 is the best single player solution and from all reports is likely to remain so for a while (as noted, the 5500 is NOT a replacement). Sooner or later a better model will come out and the 5000 will be discontinued – note “discontinued” is not the same as “no longer supported.” Anyone reading blogs (including Engadget) and forums should be advised that these are not news agencies (as I was recently reminded).
If you are worried about obsolescence, the sad truth is that you probably should stay out of the High Def marketplace altogether for at least a year or two… or three. The technology is still evolving. BTW, If your flat panel television is not 240 Hz it may also be “discontinued” soon. ;^)
TUCO, you might want to read the EngadgetHD web site today about this player. The way I read it – it will be discontinued in May and future support is problematic. Out a whopping 5 months, after a promise of it for 6 months. I hadn’t opened my box due to lingering uncertainty, though coincidently I was going to do so this weekend because of the generally good reviews.
I appreciate all the previous comments and help from folks on this site with regard to this unit, but I’m going to get a cheap HD DVD player for my existing disks and wait for the new Panisonic. Samsung – lots of potential too bad.
BOUGHT SAMSUNG BD UP5000 TWO DAYS AGO. USED HDMI (NOT 1.3) TO TV AND COAXIAL DIGITAL CABLE TO RECEIVER. BURNED UPGRADE CD AND INSTALLED NEW UPDATES (FROM 01-17-2008) LAST NIGHT- STILL NO DOLBY TRUE-HD, AND DTS-MA ISN’T EVEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN MANUAL. ALSO, ANOTHER NOTE ON DOLBY TRUE-HD- MANUAL STATES THAT THIS FORMAT WILL ONLY PLAY OVER FRONT LEFT AND RIGHT SPEAKERS (AS PCM) WHEN SELECTED, WHICH IS TRUE. SPOKE WITH SAMSUNG TECH REP TODAY- HE TOLD ME THAT DOLBY TRUE-HD IS SUPPOSED TO BE DECODED INTERNALLY, HOWEVER DOLBY TRUE-HD COMING THROUGH AS TWO-CHANNEL PCM IS NORMAL FUNCTIONING. IN OTHER WORDS, AS OF RIGHT NOW (UNTIL THEY PUBLISH NEW FIRMWARE UPDATES) DOLBY TRUE-HD DOES NOT WORK ON PLAYER. TECH ALSO TOLD ME HE HAD NO IDEA WHEN NEW FIRMWARE UPDATES WOULD COME OUT. HE ALSO HAD NO ANSWERS FOR ME ABOUT DTS ISSUES. THEY ARE, HOWEVER AWARE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH COMPATABILITY THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED. CLOCK’S TICKING… TWENTY-EIGHT MORE DAYS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO RETURN TO CIRCUIT CITY. LG BH200 SOUNDS LIKE ITS BASICALLY AN INFERIOR MACHINE, THOUGH. NEW INFO FROM ANYONE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED- $799.00 IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A PRODUCT THAT’S STILL IN THE X-PHASE.
Question and a Comment: Has anyone had difficulties with HD DVD content, or is it just Blu-Ray? Also, I know this is rhetorical, but if these are primarily BD issues because Sony adds features, what happens with Sony comes out with yet another standard? Unless it is one of their precious units like the PS3, no one may be able to keep up.
Does the BD_UP5000 play AVCHD files burned on DVD-R media?
The Update, according to the Rep I spoke with yesterday, fixes compatibility issues on certain DVDs. He didn’t have a list for me, but I was having problems with RATATOUILLE before the update, and it’s working almost perfectly now.
On Samsungs firware page, under News & Alerts, Samsung Acknowledges the problem with 3:10 to Yuma and is working on a fix.
Any info on what the firmware update addresses/fixes?
There’s new firmware now!
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=mp3audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=duohdplayer&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=R&prd_ia_cd=03020500&disp_nm=BD-UP5000
Just to clarify on the upcoming Samsung BD-UP5500, this unit is strictly a CHEAPER unit in all respects. Just like the BD-P1500 they are both still only BD-ROM profile 1.1, Samsung currently has no BD-ROM 2.0 / BD-LIVE players announced. Both of the new players have the multi-channel audio jacks removed, and “Boxcarbob” stated cheaper video conversion as well. DOWNGRADE!!!!
Hi. I just got the 5000. 3:10 to Yuma won’t load and Sunshine won’t play — it will play audio with no picture or picture for a few seconds before it frezzes –
many disk won’t load on the first try (i.e: deja vu – pan’s labyrinth ) and load on a second try.
If you can give me any inside about this would be great to help me know if I should exchange the player or not.
I agree that picture quality is great.
thanks
oscar
All’s good, thanks again!
Same here, Cloudsplitter – I hope I didn’t sound defensive.
Oh, and just wanted to say, I was only looking for your insight and experience, not trying to be critical.
Many thanks Boxcarbob! I really appreciate your insight.
To answer your questions; There are basically three discs that I’ve seen complaints about on-line. Those are all Blu-Ray. I’m guessing they use some of the functions of the new 2.2 Profile – which is of course one of the differences between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD… HD-DVD had a completed, robust standard from the day the units went on sale. This is just my opinion, but most of what you read on forums are just opinions! BTW, think of the poor guys who bought the first generation Blu-Ray players – they paid a boatload of money and now have no way to “upgrade” to 2.0! As for the audio issues, I have no doubt that there is a problem playing TrueHD. However, I don’t have a AVR capable of TrueHD, so the point is moot for me. I completely understand how the audiophiles with high end AVRs would be upset that the highest end player available would not include that capability. Again, that’s why I’m happy to see a network connection on the unit and information floating around that Samsung will be upgrading the firmware shortly. Why bother adding the connection if they have no plan to offer upgrades?
If you’re concerned about Samsung following through on upgrades, you could buy the unit from a store with a 30 day return policy. I’ve heard that the next update to the firmware (I believe they had one before I purchased my first unit) is due “any day now.” If no upgrade happens in 30 days and you find something better than this player on the market, then simply return it.
I guess I don’t understand why this is such a surprise or big issue for early adapters. Yes, in a year there will be something better. Welcome to the world of technology. The flat panel I bought last year now has a better and lower cost alternative available. The state-of-the-art laptop I bought 13 months ago is quickly becoming overtaxed by the latest software.
The Samsung dual format players do what I bought them to do – and the upconverting is better than anything I’ve owned or seen demoed. I’m very pleased. And, yep, they’ll be something better and cheaper available sometime in the future for those willing to wait.
P.S., the 5500, which may be Christmas before it comes out! If I had a firm date within the next few months, I might wait, but if it’s a year… uggghh.
Thanks Boxcarbob. That gives me some hope and thought for keeping it. I had almost made up my mind to return it. If you don’t mind a few questions; Have you had any audio problems? Do you suppose it is just specific disks or disk manufacturers that have caused the concern? Have you played any of the videos that other sites say is an issue? Sorry for all the questions, but I’m curious. I have bought a Samsung computer in the early 80′s with promised updates that never came. I have had reasonable luck with their phones, despite the madding delays on release. I really had high hopes for this unit and had been waiting for months to buy it, and did the first day it came out. I guess I’m just worried that for $800 I’ll be buying an obsolete unit, given that Samsung just announced the 5500, which is Profile 2.0 compliant.